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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2018 8:33 am    Post subject: Glengary Prescott Russell mpp Amanda Simard leaves pc's Reply with quote

( not really a huge surprise she is leaving the pc caucus to sit as an independent mpp , she seemed obsessed with the French language issue even though Ford had reversed plans to cut a French language watchdog and the French university planned for Toronto never really even existed other than on paper , so it never really existed , ford never eliminated any existing services for franco ontarian's despite what the media says .

anyways I'm not really sure what she hopes to accompolish as an independent , perhaps she will join the liberals eventually but might soon find out there caucus is small and less exciting than the pc's )



Rogue PC MPP Amanda Simard quits caucus

By Marieke Walsh. Published on Nov 29, 2018 8:10am


MPP Amanda Simard sits in the legislature at Queen's Park. She announced on Nov. 29 that she is quitting the Progressive Conservative caucus and will sit as an independent MPP. Source: Twitter


TORONTO – Progressive Conservative MPP Amanda Simard is bailing on the Doug Ford government.

Simard announced early Thursday morning that she is quitting caucus and will sit as an independent “effective immediately.”

The MPP and parliamentary assistant to Francophone Affairs Minister Caroline Mulroney broke ranks with her party over cuts to francophone services outlined in the fall economic statement.

Two weeks ago, the government announced it was breaking its promise to build a French-language university and cutting the independent office of the French-language services commissioner. Last week, Simard spoke out against the cuts. Then on a Friday, the premier softened his government’s stance on the issues, but Simard characterized it as only “partial backtracking.”

The cuts sparked a widespread backlash, including from all of Canada’s federal party leaders. Protests are planned across the province on Saturday to have the cuts fully reversed.

Questions about Simard’s future mounted this week after she skipped a caucus meeting on Tuesday. Sources told iPolitics frustrations were growing among her colleagues, not because she spoke out, but because she wasn’t returning their calls and emails to discuss the matter and work on a solution.

As late as Wednesday night Simard told iPolitics she was planning to attend the Tories’ Thursday morning caucus meeting.

https://ipolitics.ca/2018/11/29/rogue-pc-mpp-amanda-simard-quits-caucus/
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MPP Amanda Simard no longer a PC, will sit as an independent


Eastern Ontario MPP had been vocally opposed to party's francophone policies


CBC News · Posted: Nov 29, 2018 7:39 AM ET | Last Updated: 12 minutes ago



Now-former PC MPP Amanda Simard took questions from the crowd at a town hall in her riding over the weekend, where she said it was a 'good question' whether she would stay with the party. (Radio-Canada)


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Eastern Ontario MPP Amanda Simard is no longer a member of the Progressive Conservative caucus and will sit as an independent.

The representative for ​Glengarry–Prescott–Russell, which includes the eastern fringe of Ottawa and communities east of the city, gave no reason in Wednesday's letter to the speaker's office.


It's unclear if she left the party on her own or was kicked out.


Simard declined to comment to Radio-Canada Wednesday morning after the news broke.

However, she's been vocally opposed to her party's francophone policies over the last week and openly mused about her future with the PCs.

Those policies include the since-cancelled move to cut the province's French language services commissioner.

The PCs are moving ahead with the cancellation of funding for a new French-language university.

Largest francophone riding in region

Simard was elected for her first term at Queen's Park this June to represent the riding with many francophones.

The most recent census indicated that 66 per cent of her riding's population are able to conduct a conversation in both official languages.

She was the first non-Liberal MPP for the riding, which was created in 1999.

The mayor of Hawkesbury, Ont., one of the largest communities in Simard's riding, praised her Wednesday, saying she showed courage and integrity

"I'm disappointed that [Premier Doug] Ford did not consult with her before the [changes] were made," said Jeanne Charlebois on CBC Radio's Ottawa Morning.

"I'm definitely not disappointed in Amanda at all. She stood her ground. I'm very proud of what she did."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/amanda-simard-mpp-progressive-conservative-1.4925179
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

( what French services has Ford actually cut ? other than the French language university in Toronto ( which only existed on paper and not in reality ) nothing else appears to have been eliminated in the new plans released last week . still is still going to be a French languages commissioner within the ombudsman office

something about the idea that Ford has somehow eliminated services for franco ontarian's doesn't seem to be based in reality , what government services can they not access today that they could of a month ago ? I can think of nothing )



MPP Amanda Simard leaves PC caucus after frustration with French-service cuts


The Canadian Press
Published Thursday, November 29, 2018 8:04AM EST
Last Updated Thursday, November 29, 2018 8:56AM EST


TORONTO -- A Progressive Conservative legislator who publicly denounced Ontario's decision to eliminate the independent office of the French-language services commissioner and a planned French-language university has left the Tory caucus.

In a letter to the Speaker of the legislature, Amanda Simard says her decision is effective immediately, and she will remain as an independent.

"I am no longer a member of the Progressive Conservative Caucus," Simard wrote in the short letter sent Thursday. "I will continue to take my place in the Legislative Assembly of Ontario as an Independent."


The rookie legislator, who represents a largely Franco-Ontarian riding, broke ranks with Premier Doug Ford's government over the two controversial decisions affecting about 600,000 francophones in the province.

Simard said Wednesday that she was not satisfied by the government's announcement late last week that it would create a commissioner position within the office of the provincial ombudsman, establish a Ministry of Francophone Affairs, and hire a senior policy adviser on francophone affairs in the premier's office.

She said the "partial backtracking" was not enough.

Ford has said the measures regarding the commissioner and the university announced in the fall economic statement were necessary to bring down the province's deficit, although he has not said how much would be saved.

Simard argued Wednesday that the moves would not "contribute in any meaningful way" to the provincial belt-tightening.

The premier said he had listened to concerns about the changes and already offered some concessions.

Simard, who represents the eastern Ontario riding of Glengarry-Prescott-Russell, served as a city councillor in the community of Russell before joining the Tory roster under then-leader Patrick Brown. She holds a law degree from the University of Ottawa and previously worked on Parliament Hill as a policy adviser.


https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/mpp-amanda-simard-leaves-pc-caucus-after-frustration-with-french-service-cuts-1.4197281
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2018 3:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

does anyone else think her " independent " status might only be temporary and that she's just waiting to join another party , most likely the liberals , as her riding has historically been a liberal stronghold and it would seem to be the most likely way for her to stay on in that riding



also left with the feeling that something about this story does not make sense ? why would Ford and the pc's suddenly declare war with francophone voters ?


it makes no logical sense , especially when considering the recent inroads which have been made in 2018 by conservative leaning parties in French areas ( pc win in Glengary Prescott Russell , federal cpc win in Chicoutimi by election and CAQ win provincially in quebec )


something about suddenly deciding to go after the French just does not make sense on any level or serve any strategic value , especially just to eliminate a few positions at queens park which no one had ever heard of or really complained about


left feeling that Ford and the pc's might of been set up by someone , that someone at queen's park knew how much trouble this was going to cause and intentionally convinced them to move forward , well telling them it wasn't going to be a big deal and that no one would care


was this a liberal person , doing this to help out the federal / provincial liberals or perhaps a red tory who just wanted to embarrass ford cause they would prefer Christine Elliott as premier


but something about this story just does not seem right or make sense , it makes no sense for the pc's to suddenly damage conservative inroads with French Canadians at such a time , it just doesn't make sense on any level , I can see why the federal tories were so upset with Ford on this issue , it doesn't seem to serve any purpose in advancing the conservative movement in Canada
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2018 4:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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left feeling that Ford and the pc's might of been set up by someone , that someone at queen's park knew how much trouble this was going to cause and intentionally convinced them to move forward , well telling them it wasn't going to be a big deal and that no one would care


Yea, it s not like Dog Ford could screw things up on his own. It has to be a Liberal plant.

Happy you did finally discover this. It will be the de facto position going forward.

The billion dollar gas plant problem was an insiders fault from the PC's.

The Hydro hassle that sunk Wynne? A PC operative was in a position to make it happen and convinced Wynne to do nothing.


Infowars stupidity strikes again! Congrats .


Q?: Do you actually believe the garbage you post? Or is this done as a joke?
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2018 5:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Toronto Centre wrote:
RCO wrote:

left feeling that Ford and the pc's might of been set up by someone , that someone at queen's park knew how much trouble this was going to cause and intentionally convinced them to move forward , well telling them it wasn't going to be a big deal and that no one would care


Yea, it s not like Dog Ford could screw things up on his own. It has to be a Liberal plant.

Happy you did finally discover this. It will be the de facto position going forward.

The billion dollar gas plant problem was an insiders fault from the PC's.

The Hydro hassle that sunk Wynne? A PC operative was in a position to make it happen and convinced Wynne to do nothing.


Infowars stupidity strikes again! Congrats .


Q?: Do you actually believe the garbage you post? Or is this done as a joke?




Doug Ford has made a lot of enemies during his time in politics ( Toronto city hall , liberals , red tories , federal liberals in Ottawa ) , I don't see why it would be unreasonable to suggest someone might of set him up on this one as a way to make him look bad



from a logical perspective it doesn't make any sense for the Ontario pc's to suddenly create bad blood with the francophones in the province . I've never heard of the party having or ever passing anti French policy resolutions in recent years , none of this was expected at all , it wasn't what they campaigned on


which is why it seems like it was an idea created in the back rooms by someone for reasons that don't seem to make a lot of sense


there obviously looking to save money but its no clear if any of these decisions will even save money other than cancelling the university which would of been very expensive to build and operate
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2018 5:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Doug Ford has made a lot of enemies during his time in politics ( Toronto city hall , liberals , red tories , federal liberals in Ottawa ) , I don't see why it would be unreasonable to suggest someone might of set him up on this one as a way to make him look bad

Really?

So there is a mole in Queens Park that is forcing Ford to make these moves?

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight .

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from a logical perspective it doesn't make any sense for the Ontario pc's to suddenly create bad blood with the francophones in the province . I've never heard of the party having or ever passing anti French policy resolutions in recent years , none of this was expected at all , it wasn't what they campaigned on


Ford never campaigned on reducing Toronto City Council did he? And what did he do?

Was that another mole who convinced Ford to make that dumb mistake? (for the record, its done and we will benefit but again, never campaigned and his timing sucked)

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which is why it seems like it was an idea created in the back rooms by someone for reasons that don't seem to make a lot of sense

No the only thing that does not make sense is your postulation that someone working for another party made Ford do this.

Incredible and absolutely without merit .... not to mention incredibly stupid to put forward.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2018 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

my suggestion is more along the lines that someone in the backrooms gave the pc's bad advice on this issue , either intentionally or thru poor judgement and knowledge on the issue of French language rights


I'm not saying there is necessary a mole , just ford got bad advice on this subject from someone behind the scenes



I don't see why that is so far fetched considering how this issue has played out


I don't think its unheard of for a politician to be given bad advice from time to time , from people who didn't really understand certain issues
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2018 11:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

She is from the most French Speaking riding in the Province;
Even with the scale down of some of the changes to the French Language cuts I am not surprised.

Wouldn't be surprised for a moment to see her join the Liberal Caucus in the new year.

The timing of official party status going from 8 to 12 during the Economic Update proves to be an interesting difference maker after-all.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 30, 2018 11:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cosmostein wrote:
She is from the most French Speaking riding in the Province;
Even with the scale down of some of the changes to the French Language cuts I am not surprised.

Wouldn't be surprised for a moment to see her join the Liberal Caucus in the new year.

The timing of official party status going from 8 to 12 during the Economic Update proves to be an interesting difference maker after-all.




it wouldn't be a surprise if she joined the liberals , the ndp or greens would be an award fit for her riding , eastern Ontario is typically a poor area for the ndp , although they did win Ottawa Centre and Kingston shockingly last election , also came dangerously close to winning Ottawa West Nepean


but glengarry Prescott Russell would seem like the most unlikely ndp riding


the pc's seemed to know something was up with a couple mpp's , which seems to be why they changed the party status rule


whats interesting is that in quebec they did the opposite , I read the new government gave party status to both the PQ and QS even though they were a couple short
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