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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 3:19 pm    Post subject: BC Premier backs bill to elect senators from B.C. Reply with quote

( we may have an elected senator from BC before 2012 is over if this bill is passed and vote happens )

Premier backs bid to elect senators from B.C.


ian bailey AND justine hunter

VANCOUVER AND VICTORIA— From Wednesday's Globe and Mail

Published Tuesday, Mar. 06, 2012 10:19PM EST



British Columbia is throwing its weight behind an elected Senate, with a private member’s bill – supported by Premier Christy Clark – pushing for a vote this fall.

Although Ms. Clark’s parliamentary secretary John Les tabled the measure as a private member’s bill Tuesday, an official in the Premier’s office said he has the backing of Ms. Clark. Mr. Les said most members of the majority Liberal caucus are behind the Senate Election Act, setting the stage for the bill to pass by May.

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Conservative Senator Gerry St. Germain is scheduled to retire this November. “That would be the first opportunity to have a senatorial election in B.C.,” Mr. Les said, hours after tabling the bill in the legislature.

But the NDP opposition raised immediate questions about why Ms. Clark isn’t seizing the agenda herself. “As opposed to a government bill, they pushed out poor John Les with a private member’s bill,” said John Horgan, House Leader for the B.C. NDP.

Mr. Les said he was acting because the bill allows for a quick fix to concerns about the Senate. “There’s a healthy appetite for democratizing something without a great history of democracy,” Mr. Les said in an interview.

If passed, British Columbia would be the first province after Alberta to elect senators, although other provinces have been considering the option. Alberta has held Senate-nominee processes since 1989, with three senators appointed as a result.

As Ms. Clark’s Liberals face the fracturing of their centre-right coalition because of the rise of the B.C. Conservative Party, Senate elections could also be a tactical measure aimed at wooing back right-leaning voters. The Liberals, seeking a fourth term in the May, 2013, election, have been looking for options to bolster their governing coalition in order to avoid vote splitting on the right that could give the NDP an edge at the polls.

Indeed, news of the B.C. move elicited praise from the federal Tories, who are pushing a reform package that includes an elected Senate and term limits. Heritage Minister James Moore, lead minister for B.C., and Tim Uppal, Minister of State for Democratic Reform, issued a joint statement saluting the introduction of the Senate Election Act.

“This announcement today means that British Columbians will have real input into choosing the people who represent our province in the Senate. This is good news for democracy and good news for our province,” Mr. Moore said.

The federal Tories have been encouraging provinces to consult citizens on Senate nominees through the Senate Reform Act, introduced in June, 2011. It calls for nine-year terms for senators, who can currently sit until age 75, as well as for the provinces to elect a roster of potential senators.

Ms. Clark supported a previous iteration of Mr. Les’s bill that died on the order paper last fall, but then said she was concerned about electing senators without additional reform. She was not available Tuesday to explain her current view.

Under Mr. Les’s current bill, candidates could run as independents or members of parties in one of six new Senate electoral districts to be created across the province. It would also allow for Internet voting – a general electoral option Ms. Clark has endorsed.

The bill has an eight-year sunset clause, implemented, said Mr. Les, in hopes of reform to deal with B.C. having fewer Senate seats than such smaller provinces as New Brunswick and Nova Scotia.

Last June, Ms. Clark said she would accept the Harper government’s vision of an elected Senate only if B.C.’s representation was improved. In a single day of meetings in Ottawa, she advanced two reform proposals: Up to 10 more senators for the province to reflect B.C.’s growing economic clout, and limiting the number of senators from regions that are overrepresented.

There are six B.C senators and six each from the three other Western provinces.


http://www.theglobeandmail.com.....le2361025/
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 8:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

She's trying to cut spending, while holding elections for a federal position?
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 12:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A Senate election in BC will lead to NDP folks selected for that office;
As official opposition, I have to wonder if their stance on the Senate changes if they end up with an elected Senator?
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 2:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cosmostein wrote:
A Senate election in BC will lead to NDP folks selected for that office;
As official opposition, I have to wonder if their stance on the Senate changes if they end up with an elected Senator?

Harper wouldn't appoint a Dipper. I'd say the election will lead to Harper having a choice of several people.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 2:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Progressive Tory wrote:
cosmostein wrote:
A Senate election in BC will lead to NDP folks selected for that office;
As official opposition, I have to wonder if their stance on the Senate changes if they end up with an elected Senator?

Harper wouldn't appoint a Dipper. I'd say the election will lead to Harper having a choice of several people.


Not if the system works like Alberta;
You go down the list from the top.

Harper is in a position to have a Senate majority well beyond 2015, much like the Liberals in the early 00's you may as well start appointing a few opposition Senators.

It also tosses a grenade into the NDP camp.
A Senator was elected who wants to sit as a New Democrat, do you deny them that ability?
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 4:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cosmostein wrote:
Progressive Tory wrote:
cosmostein wrote:
A Senate election in BC will lead to NDP folks selected for that office;
As official opposition, I have to wonder if their stance on the Senate changes if they end up with an elected Senator?

Harper wouldn't appoint a Dipper. I'd say the election will lead to Harper having a choice of several people.


Not if the system works like Alberta;
You go down the list from the top.

Harper is in a position to have a Senate majority well beyond 2015, much like the Liberals in the early 00's you may as well start appointing a few opposition Senators.

It also tosses a grenade into the NDP camp.
A Senator was elected who wants to sit as a New Democrat, do you deny them that ability?


Ok, I thought you had a choice who you appointed from Alberta from a selected list.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 09, 2012 11:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Progressive Tory wrote:

Ok, I thought you had a choice who you appointed from Alberta from a selected list.


Its appointment by the order which you finished in the election.
For example:

Bert Brown Progressive Conservative 312,041
Betty Unger Progressive Conservative 311,964
Cliff Breitkreuz Progressive Conservative 241,306

Was how the the 2004 election finished;
Brown was appointed on July 10, 2007, Unger January 6, 2012, and Breitkreuz will likely never be appointed as the next Alberta senator due to retire is Bert Brown in 2013 and Alberta will be holding new Senate elections as part of their Provincial election this year.
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