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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2019 8:20 am    Post subject: Michael Bloomberg won't run for president Reply with quote

( with Bloomberg and Sherrod Brown both out , unless Biden wins the nomination it seems like its going to be won by a far left progressive liberal , likely the most left of centre nominee in recent memory )


With Bloomberg and Brown out, all eyes on Biden


WASHINGTON D.C. — Michael Bloomberg seemed to be moving towards a run for president. The former New York Mayor was hiring staff, making trips to early voting states, and his team was thinking big about a nationwide strategy that would be funded by his billions.

But on Tuesday, Bloomberg opted out, saying in an op-ed that he was “clear-eyed about the difficulty of winning the Democratic nomination in such a crowded field.”

After an initial burst of Democrats joining the presidential race, decisions this week by Bloomberg, Oregon Sen. Jeff Merkley and Ohio Sen. Sherrod Brown signal how other would-be candidates are shying away from the race – and in some cases it’s less about the size of the field, and more about who is still likely to be in it.

Sources close to Bloomberg say that former Vice President Joe Biden’s potential entrance into the 2020 fray made an uphill, but potentially winnable, primary slog even steeper for the New York billionaire. While Bloomberg’s path to the nomination was narrow already, “the path is really narrow with Joe in the race,” one source close to Bloomberg told NBC News, speaking on condition of anonymity so as to speak more candidly

Bloomberg will turn next to building out a general election apparatus for Democrats before the eventual nominee even hits the general election, as well as continuing to focus on a Beyond Carbon initiative to push America toward clean-energy.

Bloomberg and Biden spoke this week, after the former mayor announced his decision. Biden advisers said they were not aware of any conversations between the two since they spoke at an event together in January; members of Bloomberg’s inner circle were guided by tea leaves in the former vice president's recent appearances, leading them to the conclusion that Biden will ultimately jump into the race.

Brown, who announced Thursday he would not run, told reporters that while he and Biden have spoken from time to time, “his getting in or out had zero impact” in his decision. But he said Biden is among those potential candidates who could carry his “dignity of work” message in the election.

Though Biden and his team are signaling that his default position is to run, no final decision has been made. The former vice president said publicly last week he was in the “final stages” of a final call, and that he was now confident his family on board – a key factor for any potential candidate, but especially so for Biden. Deliberations are now instead focused on the very question Bloomberg wrestled with: can he win the nomination?

Biden’s public appearances of late have been limited and largely non-political. That changes next week with speeches Tuesday at the International Association of Fire Fighters, and Saturday before the Delaware Democratic Party – two bedrock political constituencies for him over the years.

Biden now is on what could be a final pre-campaign vacation with his wife in St. Croix. Two strategists who have been close to the planning insisted that no green light has been given yet, and therefore no staff has been formally hired. But regular conversations with potential hires that have been under way for months are becoming more definitive.

They’re not the only ones left waiting on Biden. Jennifer Clyburn Reed, the daughter of longtime Congressman Jim Clyburn, D-S.C. and someone who has been showing multiple 2020 hopefuls around the Palmetto State, says there’s “still a little time left” to mount a bid — but voters are hungry for options.

“If you’re going to run, get in here so we can start looking at our choices,” she told a small group of reporters in Columbia, South Carolina in February when asked about Biden, and others who haven’t jumped in yet. Likening the crowded field to a buffet, she cautioned with a laugh: “Don’t bring out the macaroni and cheese after all the main dishes are gone. I would really like to see my meal all out at once” before picking the “main course.”


https://www.nbcnews.com/card/bloomberg-brown-out-all-eyes-biden-n980666
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 08, 2019 8:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Michael Bloomberg announces he won't run for president in 2020


2020 Election


Michael Bloomberg announces he won't run for president in 2020

"I believe I would defeat Donald Trump," Bloomberg said. "But I am clear-eyed about the difficulty of winning the Democratic nomination."


March 5, 2019, 4:30 PM EST

By Allan Smith

Billionaire businessman and former New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg announced Tuesday that he won't run for president in 2020.

Instead, he said in an opinion column published on Bloomberg, he will launch a new climate change initiative called "Beyond Carbon," redouble his efforts to combat gun violence and continue to support likeminded political candidates.


"It’s essential that we nominate a Democrat who will be in the strongest position to defeat Donald Trump and bring our country back together," he said. "We cannot allow the primary process to drag the party to an extreme that would diminish our chances in the general election and translate into 'Four More Years.'"

"Many people have urged me to run," he continued. "Some have told me that to win the Democratic nomination, I would need to change my views to match the polls. But I’ve been hearing that my whole political career."


Bloomberg said he has grown increasingly "frustrated by the incompetence in the Oval Office," adding that he knows "we can do better as a country."

"And I believe I would defeat Donald Trump in a general election," he said. "But I am clear-eyed about the difficulty of winning the Democratic nomination in such a crowded field."

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/michael-bloomberg-announces-he-won-t-run-president-2020-n979711
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2019 5:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Klobuchar would be a smart centrist pick for the party. It’s possible the candidates on the left could lose because they’re fighting for the same votes, while someone closer to the centre can get all those votes if they’re the only option.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2019 12:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Her problem is rage, easily uncorked, and directed not at the various forces that might thwart the needs of her constituents, but at the people—many of them young—who work for her. During Klobuchar’s first senatorial campaign, the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees decried her “shameful treatment of her employees” in the Hennepin County Attorney’s Office; in March of 2018, Politico reported that she had the highest staff turnover in the Senate. But it has been the recent reporting of BuzzFeed News, HuffPost, The New York Times, and others that has provided the vivid and ugly details of what apparently lies behind those facts. Although many of the staffers and former staffers provided their reports anonymously, the senator has mostly not disputed the specifics, instead seeking to frame the behavior as part of the high expectations she has of herself and her staff.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/03/telling-reactions-tales-amy-klobuchars-rage/584104/
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2019 12:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Progressive Tory wrote:
Klobuchar would be a smart centrist pick for the party. It’s possible the candidates on the left could lose because they’re fighting for the same votes, while someone closer to the centre can get all those votes if they’re the only option.



there is an interesting article in last week's Time magazine about the race for the democratic nomination . it goes into detail about the process and changes made for this years race
( less caucuses and more actual votes , super delegates also vote differently , some states are also scheduled to vote earlier than past years although that could change )

but the fact some high profile more moderate voices like Bloomberg or Brown aren't even running indicates they know the party is looking for a liberal nominee this year , someone far left on the political spectrum and not necessary a moderate nominee aiming to appeal across party lines


I personally think its likely whoever the nominee is , they will likely be the most liberal and left of centre nominee in recent memory


perhaps it makes sense to go left when the left is so worked up and angry at trump in an election scenario , but something about taking American far to the left does not make sense in a post trump 2020 scenario ? why not just stay to the centre , why go far left , unless the party is being taken over by left wing activists


and they feel this is there chance to take the party and country far to the left , a chance they might not get under normal circumstances
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2019 12:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

its also possible some of these nominee's go left for the purposes of winning the nomination than attempt to return to centre once the actual election campaign begins


although I can somehow not envision Bernie Sanders as a centrist nominee , he's openly socialist and very far to the left , that's partly why young people like him as they feel he's genuine

if he tried to become more moderate they'd start to think he was fake and not really concerned about leftist causes
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2019 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that a more realistic analysis is that the Democrats are going through something like the Republicans have already largely gone through.

Politics in America is being reconfigured. The Democrats are now the party of the rich. They get lots of their money from Hollywood, Silicon Valley's big winners, and the banking and insurance sector of the economy.

The Republicans are becoming the party of the smaller towns, and working class, in so far as it still exists. Something like that.

The politics are changing. Immigration was a "third rail" issue four years ago. Now its at the centre.

This is a great fact-based study of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (AOC) rise. I think it shows the successful pattern of politics in the future -- they don't care about ideology, they care about power.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1h5iv6sECGU

This is the social justice warriors in politics. The first 17 minutes tell you all you need to know.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 11, 2019 8:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bugs wrote:
I think that a more realistic analysis is that the Democrats are going through something like the Republicans have already largely gone through.

Politics in America is being reconfigured. The Democrats are now the party of the rich. They get lots of their money from Hollywood, Silicon Valley's big winners, and the banking and insurance sector of the economy.

The Republicans are becoming the party of the smaller towns, and working class, in so far as it still exists. Something like that.

The politics are changing. Immigration was a "third rail" issue four years ago. Now its at the centre.

This is a great fact-based study of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (AOC) rise. I think it shows the successful pattern of politics in the future -- they don't care about ideology, they care about power.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1h5iv6sECGU

This is the social justice warriors in politics. The first 17 minutes tell you all you need to know.



guess my though was lets say things were different , there was a reasonably popular moderate republican president along the lines of a Marco Rubio or Mitt Romney


would the recipe for a democratic victory be to go far left if they were facing such an opponent , would it make any sense to go far to the left if you were running against a moderate republican ? in such a scenario it seem to me very likely the democrat would lose that election , as when voters have the choice between a popular centrist candidate and far left or far right alternative they rarely choose the alternative


it seems like since they feel Trump is unpopular and facing tough re election odds , they can simply run anyone against him and possibly win . even if that candidate is much further to the left than past democrats

or the left is so worked up over trump's victory in 2016 and Bernie sander's loss to Hilary Clinton in the primary . the democrats feel they have to give this nomination to that wing of the party or face internal revolt
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 3:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The strength and money of the slate of candidates is firmly on the left;

However as Stephane Dion learned in 2006, sometimes being number three when one and two hate each other has its benefits.

If the field continues to skew left, someone like Tim Ryan could come in late and pitch himself as the compromise candidate as a Democrat from Ohio, a State they most certainly need to win.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2019 5:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I saw some American site where they made the argument that Bernie is now the centrist within the Democrat party emerging slate of candidates. I don't know them well enough to judge, but it's hard not to be impressed with the effectiveness of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, who seems to be a step-up from Trudeau on the post-modernism scale. Both were actors waiting for a role and serve as the spokespeople for shadowy small groups that provide them even with the words they utter.

For the record, I am NOT pointing a finger and condemning. This seems to be where it's at. Clearly, the perfect candidate is now a team. And what makes the "face" of these organizations better than a striking appearance. As Alexandria has shown, a young woman with a great rack can overtake a polite young man with good hair in a few months.

Biden is well into his 70ies, and Hillary is burned out -- when figures like that get passed by, it means that the post-modern left will have the party.

Will it work?
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