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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 5:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Toronto Centre wrote:
RCO wrote:


I don't know what his personal views ? I'd just be guessing



Ok. But this cop is the source of the quote.

You referenced him as " the left / anti gun movement doesn't care , they come along and make stuff up . facts and quotes which now seem to have no basis in reality"

Im just wondering is he a leftie who carries a gun or is just a guy who uses a gun yet is anti-gun?


Or you know......you can keep on playing the I just made it up game.

LOL!



I don't see how his personal opinions are relevant , the point is he came out publically and said there was a surge in domestically sourced guns


ok but there is no evidence to prove this is happening , that is by beef , there is supposedly credible people saying something is happening ,


but when asked to provide proof or stats which prove there claim , they cannot provide anything to back it up


all I want to see is some proof and the numbers from the RCMP and Toronto police that prove there is all these domestically sourced guns on the streets and that they can be traced back to legal Canadian gun owners , hand guns are registered in Canada so I don't see why that would be so difficult
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 5:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I don't see how his personal opinions are relevant , the point is he came out publically and said there was a surge in domestically sourced guns

Right.

But YOU said he is either a leftie or anti-gun (or both). I was just curious which one and how did YOU determine that.


Or was that just rhetoric for the simple and dumb?

Thanks for skirting the issue .
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 5:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Toronto Centre wrote:
RCO wrote:


I don't see how his personal opinions are relevant , the point is he came out publically and said there was a surge in domestically sourced guns

Right.

But YOU said he is either a leftie or anti-gun (or both). I was just curious which one and how did YOU determine that.


Or was that just rhetoric for the simple and dumb?

Thanks for skirting the issue .



as I said before it be pure speculation to guess what his motivations were for giving that interview to the Canadian media and making these claims in the first place


the point is , he made serious claims , which raised deep concerns among a lot of people , that there was serious crime occurring among legal guns owners


except there is no proof for his story , the Global news article goes into great detail about the gun stats actually released by the Toronto police and no where in them is there evidence of a surge of domestic guns from within Canada


the stats say his story was simply not accurate , is it worth debating it any further . if the police and media really had proof of a surge of domestic guns , wouldn't we of seen those stats by now ?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2019 12:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is a case where RCO has produced material about an actual major gun importer, a man whose guns have turned up in the wrong hands, and responsible for killing people.

And the guns come from the USA. Not Canadian sportsmen. Concede the point TC.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2019 12:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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And the guns come from the USA. Not Canadian sportsmen. Concede the point TC.


Oh look! Another one who hasn't a clue about the question I asked.


Did you simpletons go to the same school ?

I conceded that point ages ago. LOL!

Try and keep up.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2019 1:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who has an answer for the irrelevant and clueless question? What's wrong with this turkey Can't he google it by himself?

The case RCO brought up testifies to RCO's position. TC is suggesting the cop made it up because ... you know ... white male stuff. That itself is something that he should produce evidence of. That said, police do generally have a bias against anyone but them having guns.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 09, 2019 2:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bugs wrote:
Who has an answer for the irrelevant and clueless question? What's wrong with this turkey Can't he google it by himself?

You best let rco be his own version of dumb.

The question was to an assertion rco made up. I was just asking which one was the cop. Anti gun or leftie idiot.

I see you have the same comprehension , so...you two did go to the same little red schoolhouse.(grade 6...hardest 3 years of your lives)
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TC is suggesting the cop made it up because ... you know ... white male stuff. That itself is something that he should produce evidence of. That said, police do generally have a bias against anyone but them having guns.


Not even a nice try.

The cop made it up. Pure and simple. Never said otherwise have I ?

But again....you two.. LOL!
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 8:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

( he got 8 years in prison , for smuggling the guns into Canada )



Michigan vet pleads guilty to smuggling guns into Canada through NEXUS pass


By: FOX 2 Staff


Posted: Jan 10 2019 01:16PM EST

Video Posted: Jan 10 2019 05:18PM EST

Updated: Jan 10 2019 06:07PM EST




(FOX 2) - A man who police say admitted to smuggling guns bought around Metro Detroit into Canada to be sold on the black market has accepted a plea deal, officials said Thursday.

According to the Canadian Ministry of the Attorney General, Randy Jackson III has pleaded guilty to trafficking firearms that officials said he acknowledges were not purchased for his own use, but to be sold on the black market. Officials said 11 of the firearms recovered since arresting Jackson have been found at various crime scenes in Canada.


Police said on July 7, 2017, Toronto police seized a loaded Glock 19 9mm handgun during a crime investigation unrelated to Jackson's case. Officers tracked down where the gun was from, and discovered it had been purchased by Jackson in the U.S.


Randy Jackson III has pleaded guilty to trafficking firearms that officials said he acknowledges were not purchased for his own use.


Officials said they launched an investigation, learning that Jackson, an American citizen, had bought 67 firearms in the U.S. starting January 26, 2017. The firearms were purchased from various dealers across Metro Detroit, Ann Arbor and Port Huron. And of those 67 firearms, 32 were determined to be Glocks, officials said.

Officers learned that while Jackson lived and worked in Michigan, he had a spouse and child in London, Ontario and would typically travel to Canada every weekend to see his family. Many times, Jackson would cross the border into Canada on the same day he bought guns.

Police said Jackson used a NEXUS pass, which allows pre-screened travelers expedited processing when entering Canada and the U.S., according to the federal government website. Members use processing lanes dedicated to NEXUS members.

Officials said on Oct. 12, 2017, Jackson bought two firearms at THS Sporting Centre in Michigan, including a Taurus 85 38 Revolver and a Sig Sauer (Sig-Arms) P250 9 Pistol. With Jackson under investigation, ATF officers contacted Firearms Enforcement Unit officers in Toronto to let them know.

The Firearms Enforcement Unit then asked Canadian border agents to stop Jackson at the border near Port Huron. On October 12, 2017, Jackson was stopped and sent for a secondary inspection. Officers found a rifle barrel cleaner in the glove box hidden under papers, and after a third search, found three firearms in Jackson's pants, including the two he had just purchased that day. Police said two of the firearms contained over-capacity magazines, but none of them were loaded.

Officials said Jackson was arrested at the scene. Border agents found a receipt for a storage locker Jackson rented in Ypsilanti. Inside, investigators found 46 empty gun boxes and miscellaneous gun-related paperwork. Police determined Jackson would store the guns he bought in that locker before transporting them across the border into Canada.

Police said they have recovered 11 of Jackson's firearms purchased by another buyer at crime scenes in the Greater Toronto Area, Durham and Middlesex.

"There was a shooting somewhere in the GTA in the news almost every day. It's a painful thing, it's a painful feeling to see so many stories break and wonder if I had any fault in it," Jackson said to a judge while pleading guilty, according to the Toronto Star.

According to the publication, defense lawyers described Jackson, who was born in Lansing, as a devoted father, who coaches basketball and has no criminal record. At 19 years old, he enlisted in the Michigan National Guard and served two tours of duty in Kuwait with the U.S. armed forces. The Toronto Star reports that at the time of his arrest, Jackson was a patient attendant at a Michigan hospital while at the same time studying health care administration. He had hoped to eventually settle in London with the mother of his two sons, who are 10 and 3 years old, and her two children.

Prosecutors argued that he posted as an "upstanding citizen" to obtain a NEXUS pass and easily cross the border, and that this happened as the city of Toronto marked its highest number of shootings in its history at 424, the Toronto Star reports. Lawyers agreed on an eight-year sentence and the judge is expected to make a decision on Friday.

At the time of Jackson's plea, the following firearms were recovered:

1. September 5th, 2018: Glock 27
2. July 29th, 2018: Taurus PT 140
3. June 19th, 2018: Taurus 709 Slim
4. February 27th, 2018: Glock 30S
5. February 3rd, 2018: Ruger LC9S
6. January 18th, 2018: Glock 33 357 Pistol
Ruger LCPII 380 Pistol
7. July 7th, 2017: Glock 19 BEBR726
8. July 30th, 2017: Glock GMBH 26GEN4 9 Pistol
9. October 11th, 2017: Glock GMBH 30S 45 Pistol
10. October 24th, 2017: HS Products (IM Metal) XD40 40 Pistol
11. October 11th, 2017: Glock 30
12. October 12th, 2017: Glock 19 Gen 4
13. October 12th, 2017: Sig Sauer P250
14. October 12th, 2017: Spring Field Armoury XD
15. January 11th, 2017: Taurus PT 140 MIL G2 40 Pistol

http://www.fox2detroit.com/new.....nexus-pass
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 8:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This one guy could have caused several gun deaths ln Canada!

Notice that the investigation that led to the arrest was done in the USA! Good.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 5:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bugs wrote:


Notice that the investigation that led to the arrest was done in the USA! Good.


Ahem....

"Police said on July 7, 2017, Toronto police seized a loaded Glock 19 9mm handgun during a crime investigation unrelated to Jackson's case. Officers <CDN Police>tracked down where the gun was from, and discovered it had been purchased by Jackson in the U.S.

Officials said they launched an investigation, learning that Jackson, an American citizen, " <they be CDN Officials.>

CDN Police cant do investigations in the US.

Oh...maybe it Toronto Ohio ? Probably not.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 11:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The police lie all the time. Ask queenmandy. Or a criminal lawyer. They know.

So you're wrong again. Jackson had a NEXUS pass that allowed him expedited entry to Canada. The only reason he was stopped was because authorities in the US noticed all the guns he was buying and put 2 and 2 together.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

( some more illegal hand guns uncovered , this time in Ottawa )


Two handguns, other weapons and drugs seized at Kanata home


One man is facing 23 charges.

about an hour ago by: Mike Vlasveld

2019-01-12 Ottawa police vehicle cruiser winter MV1
Ottawa police cruiser, January 12, 2019. Mike Vlasveld/ OttawaMatters


The Ottawa Police Service has charged one man after uncovering cocaine, cash, two 9 mm handguns, ammunition, a bulletproof vest and 3 stun batons in a Kanata home.

On Thursday, January 17, members of the Ottawa Police Service Drug Unit executed a search warrant at a residence on Streamside Crescent, in the South March area.

Reyan Abdulkader, 24, who was on court-imposed release conditions for drug charges from January 2017, is charged with:

- Possession for the purpose of trafficking in a schedule I substance (2 counts)
- Possess a firearm dangerous to public peace (2 counts)
- Possess a firearm without being holder of a license (2 counts)
- Possess an unloaded restricted firearm with readily accessible ammunition (2 counts)
- Possess a high capacity magazine without being a holder of a license
- Careless storage of firearm (2 counts)
- Possession of prohibited device (3 counts)
- Possession of proceeds of crime over $5,000
- Possession of proceeds of crime under $5,000
- Breach of recognizance (7 counts)

Abdulkader is to appear in court on Friday.

Anyone with information regarding drug complaints can report to the Ottawa Police Service at 613-236-1222, ext. 7300.

Anonymous tips can be submitted by calling Crime Stoppers toll-free at 1-800-222-8477 (TIPS), or by downloading the Ottawa Police app. Anonymous tips can be submitted by calling Crime Stoppers toll-free at 1-800-222-8477 (TIPS), or by downloading the Ottawa Police app.

https://www.ottawamatters.com/police-beat/two-handguns-other-weapons-and-drugs-seized-at-kanata-home-1201720
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 11:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bugs wrote:
The police lie all the time.

Not nearly as much as you do. And thats saying a lot!
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So you're wrong again. Jackson had a NEXUS pass that allowed him expedited entry to Canada. The only reason he was stopped was because authorities in the US noticed all the guns he was buying and put 2 and 2 together.

Sure whatever you say.

Anyhow...LOL!.."Police said on July 7, 2017, Toronto police seized a loaded Glock 19 9mm handgun during a crime investigation unrelated to Jackson's case. Officers tracked down where the gun was from, and discovered it had been purchased by Jackson in the U.S.


Randy Jackson III has pleaded guilty to trafficking firearms that officials said he acknowledges were not purchased for his own use.


Officials said they launched an investigation, learning that Jackson, an American citizen, had bought 67 firearms in the U.S. starting January 26, 2017.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 2:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, they also pretend to do the work when they didn't ...

Quote:
... Police said Jackson used a NEXUS pass, which allows pre-screened travelers expedited processing when entering Canada and the U.S., according to the federal government website. Members use processing lanes dedicated to NEXUS members.

Officials said on Oct. 12, 2017, Jackson bought two firearms at THS Sporting Centre in Michigan, including a Taurus 85 38 Revolver and a Sig Sauer (Sig-Arms) P250 9 Pistol. With Jackson under investigation, ATF officers contacted Firearms Enforcement Unit officers in Toronto to let them know.

The Firearms Enforcement Unit then asked Canadian border agents to stop Jackson at the border near Port Huron. On October 12, 2017, Jackson was stopped and sent for a secondary inspection. Officers found a rifle barrel cleaner in the glove box hidden under papers, and after a third search, found three firearms in Jackson's pants, including the two he had just purchased that day. Police said two of the firearms contained over-capacity magazines, but none of them were loaded.

Officials said Jackson was arrested at the scene. Border agents found a receipt for a storage locker Jackson rented in Ypsilanti. Inside, investigators found 46 empty gun boxes and miscellaneous gun-related paperwork. Police determined Jackson would store the guns he bought in that locker before transporting them across the border into Canada.
http://www.fox2detroit.com/new.....nexus-pass

==================================================

The emphasis has been added for the benefit of the obtuse and insulting. He should know that Toronto police don't actually investigate very much, preferring to create media messages asking members of the public to bring in the perps.

Also of interest ... he would be eligible for parole after a third of eight years -- and he got credit for "time served" -- because of the glacial pace of Canadian courts (and despite a constitutionally guaranteed right to a 'speedy trial') he has almost served his time. He spent two years and three months waiting trial! He will probably be deported before July 2019.

He will spend more time waiting for trial than he will serve for the offence.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 2:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only insults is your lack of comprehension in words.

Below, you try to maKe it seem as if it was a US police who asked the CDN border guards to stop the guy.

Um...no, the "The Firearms Enforcement Unit then asked Canadian border agents to stop Jackson at the border near Port Huron." , the Firearms Enforcement Unit is Canadian. Who aske other CDN's to stop the guy.
Makes it easy, controlled area where the perp can be stopped and searched and less likely ofr any escape.
Bugs wrote:
Yeah, they also pretend to do the work when they didn't ...

Damn...your brain is addled.

Quote:

The emphasis has been added for the benefit of the obtuse and insulting.


Hey, you can be as stupid as you want, but you will be called out for being the obtuse moron you prove day by day.

You dont even understand your own links. I mean how funny is that for the rest .

Best step away and dop something else. Being cohesive and understanding this stuff is waaaaay beyond you.

LOL!
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