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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:56 am    Post subject: Senate Operating Budget up 38 % Reply with quote

( apparently it costs 38 % more to run the independent senate and they needed 121 new employees , yes 121 new employees . and to think the senate scandal back in 2014 was about senators supposedly wasting money )



Posted on 08 January 2019 at 05h00 | Updated at 9:46 am


Senate budget up 38%

The Senate Chamber where Canadian Senators ... (PHOTO PC)



Joël
The Press


(Ottawa) The annual Senate operating budget has jumped nearly $ 31.4 million since Justin Trudeau's Liberal election came to $ 114 million from $ 82.7 million in 2015


This increase of nearly 38% is partly due to the hiring of 121 new employees who are assigned to the administrative support of the Upper House, demonstrate documents of the Board of Internal Economy of the Senate obtained by La Presse .

Thus, the Senate administration will have 446 full-time employees in 2019-2020, compared with 325 employees in 2015-2016, an increase of 37%, according to these same documents.

New nomination formula


The increase in costs is also attributable to the allocation of research and operating budgets allocated to the various groups of Senators who have formed over the last three and a half years, including the Independent Senators Group, since Justin Trudeau decided, a few months before his 2015 election victory, to expel senators from the Liberal parliamentary caucus.


The increase coincides with the new formula for appointing independent senators introduced by the Prime Minister. Since he was in power, Mr. Trudeau has appointed nearly half of the Senators in the Upper House, 49 out of 105. He has filled the 22 positions vacated by former Prime Minister Stephen Harper, in addition to appointing new senators following the retirement of those who have reached the mandatory retirement age of 75 in the last three years.

Prior to these changes, the Senate had only Conservative and Liberal senators. Today, the Senate has four groups: 54 members of the Independent Senators Group; 31 Conservative senators; 11 unaffiliated senators; and 9 independent Liberal senators.

Unjustified Rises, Senator Carignan Says

In an interview with La Presse , Conservative Senator Claude Carignan, who was the Leader of the Government in the Senate from 2013 to 2015, when Stephen Harper was prime minister, protested against the rise in the Senate operating budget and even voted against its adoption during a meeting of the Board of Internal Economy in early December.

"There is nothing that justifies such an increase in spending in the Senate," said Senator Carignan in an interview with La Presse .

"When we were in power, we had an expenditure review exercise that had to lead to a 0% increase in the operating budget of the entire Senate. We had set the budget at about $ 88.7 million in 2015-16. But since Justin Trudeau's Liberals came to power

Of note, Mr. Carignan's $ 88.7 million 2015

"They spend like the Trudeau government"

According to Senator Carignan, the Trudeau government, which is accumulating higher deficits than promised during the last election campaign and does not expect a return to a balanced budget in the short term, while the economy is running at full speed, has established a spending culture in all spheres of the federal state, including the Senate.

"I think it's a question of attitude, of mentality. It's always easy to justify a position and expenses, especially when the message from above, from the Prime Minister's Office, is that it does not matter, the deficits, "said Mr. Carignan .

Citing the former PQ minister and former mayor of Lévis, the late Jean Garon, the Conservative senator added: "I remember he said when he was mayor:" Put a public servant in an office to do nothing and in a year he will say he needs a deputy. " It seems that this mentality is becoming entrenched in the Senate. In the new Senate of Justin Trudeau, the senators say they are independent, but they all vote for government measures. But even worse, they spend like the Trudeau government. "

Senators' positions filled

In the Senate Communications Branch, it is argued that the increase in spending includes the appointment of 22 senators to fill the vacancies left by former Prime Minister Stephen Harper in the last two years before his defeat. election.

"That explains the increase in the budget," it was argued yesterday, pointing out that the 2019-2020 budget is projections.

But Senator Carignan disputes this explanation. "When we prepared the Senate budget, we did it on the basis of a Senate with at least 100 senators, even if there were vacant seats. It had to be done because the Prime Minister could appoint new senators at any time, "he said.

Wages

Documents from the Office of Internal Economy of the Senate agree. For example, if $ 42.2 million had been earmarked for the salaries of senators and their office staff out of a budget of $ 82.7 million, in 2015-15, the last year of the Conservative reign, actual spending was 33.3 million in this regard. Now that all senator positions have been filled, the sum covering the salaries of senators and their office staff is expected to reach 56 million in 2019-2020 out of a total budget of 114 million.

But another source in the Senate pointed out that two Conservative senators voted in favor of increasing the budget during the committee study, including Conservative Senator Elizabeth Marshall.

A Liberal source argued that the Senate is doing much better today since the reform of appointments, saying that independent senators are working to improve bills instead of executing orders from the Prime Minister's Office, as it was the case. during the reign of Stephen Harper.

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's office did not want to comment on the operating costs of the Senate.

The Senate in numbers

Number of Senators: 105

Annual budget in 2015-2016: 82.7 million

Annual budget in 2019-2020: 114 million


https://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/politique/politique-canadienne/201901/08/01-5210249-le-budget-du-senat-en-hausse-de-38-.php
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don Martin‏Verified account @DonMartinCTV · 12m12 minutes ago


As my friend @jbellava reports today, the Senate's annual budget has surged 38 per cent since it went independent, rising to $114M this year from $83M in 2015. Senatorial spending restraint might require some sober second thoughts.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 10:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

this is something the opposition needs to run with , think a lot of average Canadians would be upset to learn the so called independent senate was costing so much more money to operate , the independent senate is the biggest scam in Ottawa and today we learn a little more about whats really going on within it


how can the senate suddenly need 120 new employees to do the same work its been doing for years ? something about this hiring surge doesn't pass the smell test


there needs to be a deeper investigation to see who encouraged and allowed for these new hires . exactly how an independent senate was allowed to suddenly hire so many new staff members


but as I said before its very difficult to eliminate these positions once there created , these people will complain whoever tries to eliminate them is cutting jobs in Ottawa . even though they may be jobs we don't need in the first place
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 9:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

this story seems to have been swept under the rug by Canada's news media , searched online and could not find any stories about this


other than the original version from la presse I haven't seen anything online about the senate and how its more expensive to run than before


sadly average Canadians aren't being informed of whats really going on at the senate


its up to the opposition to try and raise the issue somehow
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 4:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Independence ain't cheap apparently
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice digging, RCO. I am not surprised, although I wouldn't have predicted it.

This idea that the Senate is 'indepenent' is another one of those formal, constitutional definitions that the actual political system would set about undermining as soon as it could. Is the US Senate -- where Senators are actually elected -- be called 'independent' of their party members in other branches of government? We can see it expressed in the nomination of Brett Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court. Every Democrat lined up with his party leader and voted the party line.

All the "independence" of the Canadian Senate means is that the Liberal senators no longer sit in caucus. The others still caucus with their parties, if they have one.

Closer to what I suspect is the truth -- the Senate cleaned up its act because the Conservatives voted to make Senators' expense accounts public. Now, Harper lost, and the danger has passed, so they unbuckle their belts, and return to the old patterns. Senate reform is dead.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 6:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bugs wrote:
Nice digging, RCO. I am not surprised, although I wouldn't have predicted it.

This idea that the Senate is 'indepenent' is another one of those formal, constitutional definitions that the actual political system would set about undermining as soon as it could. Is the US Senate -- where Senators are actually elected -- be called 'independent' of their party members in other branches of government? We can see it expressed in the nomination of Brett Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court. Every Democrat lined up with his party leader and voted the party line.

All the "independence" of the Canadian Senate means is that the Liberal senators no longer sit in caucus. The others still caucus with their parties, if they have one.

Closer to what I suspect is the truth -- the Senate cleaned up its act because the Conservatives voted to make Senators' expense accounts public. Now, Harper lost, and the danger has passed, so they unbuckle their belts, and return to the
old patterns. Senate reform is dead.




it would seem actual senate reform was dead and the free spending ways had returned


as to why the senate suddenly needed all these new staff after years of operating with less , no one really knows


but I think there is truth to the one comment , that since is clear trudeau doesn't care about deficits , that others in Ottawa feel its ok to spend freely


trudeau's senate reform is a fraud and eventually people will realise it for what it is , just hope it doesn't take years
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