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PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2018 1:15 pm    Post subject: Violent protests in Paris ... Reply with quote

They're rioting in France, in Paris and in Lyons ... anti-Macron protests, but it isn't clear what has precipitated these actions. It was supposedly a protest, where people would wear the compulsory yellow vests that French drivers have to have in their cars, lest there's an accident and they are not appropriately dressed.

Paris: 'Yellow vest' protest marred by violent clashes with French police on Champs-Elysées
24 November 2018

Thee famous Champs-Elysées avenue in Paris was the scene of violence on Saturday as thousands of anti-government "yellow vest" protesters repeatedly clashed with French police, hurling rocks and building barricades across the road. Police responded with tear gas and water cannon.
Several thousand demonstrators, wearing high-visibility yellow jackets, had gathered on the avenue as part of protests which began last Saturday against an increase in diesel tax, justified as an anti-pollution levy by the government.

The protests have since morphed into a broad opposition front to centrist President Emmanuel Macron.

By mid-afternoon, 81,000 protestors had been counted across France, compared with about 244,000 at the same time last week, figures from the interior ministry showed.

Around 8,000 took to the streets in Paris, and about 5,000 gad gathered by early Saturday on the famous Champs-Elysées where they clashed with police trying to prevent them moving down to the Place de la Concorde near the Louvre museum.
Police said the protestors had tried to break through a cordon several times but had been prevented from doing so, with tear gas used more than once. [....]

There are pictures at the site. There was also a lot of violence on Hallowe'en.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2018 3:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Incroyable! The French are revolting against Environmentalism!

Well, at least against new increases in taxes on gasoline. This is a protest against taxation measures that are justified -- correctly or not -- by environmental double-talk -- er explanations.

I wonder if Justin is watching ... no, no, this will never get in the Canadian media. It might provide us with a contrary example ... and that would be ... hate speech ... or almost.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2018 12:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

France: Emmanuel Macron bows to protesters by freezing fuel tax
Charles Bremner, Paris
December 4 2018, 9:00am,
The Times

President Macron bowed today to the main demand of the fuel protest movement that has disrupted French life and sparked the worst rioting for decades in the heart of Paris by halting plans to increase petrol and diesel prices.

After a month of presidential vows that there would be no U-turn, Edouard Philippe is to announce later today a freeze on a 5 per cent rise in petrol and diesel pump prices that was due to take effect on January 1.

In an attempt to appease anger over the cost of living, the government will also suspend imminent rises in domestic electricity and gas prices and cut the cost of MOT tests for vehicles, according to member of Mr Macron’s En Marche party. [....]

This may prove to be more enduring that Macron thinks. My bet is he thinks he will be able to phase these tax increases in, and perhaps he can. But there will be a political price to pay. I think it is parallel to the Tea Party protests in the US.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am surprised that there is so little interest in these events in France.

This is a spontaneous uprising of the lower middle class in France that has 80% support throughout the country. It is not an event created by any of the political parties, and in fact, has caught those parties by surprise. This is exactly how revolutions start. Spontaneous, leaderless uprisings.

Macron has capitulated. At first, he suspended the price increases, and now he has terminated them. There are big demonstrations planned for Saturday, and Macron has mobilized 90,000 police. All that is required is a spark to set this off. This video discusses the whole story.


It's a revolution because the French people want Macron to go. They want his resignation rather than his head. That's how revolutions work in the 21st century.

I agree with the taling heads on the video -- nothing radicalizes the middle classes like being treated like a threat to the state. And it looks as if that is a definite possibility on Saturday.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

( although I think the reality is the public will get sick of the protests and eventually side with the government in seeing a need to end them . not that there is much support for raising taxes on the middle class . but you can only riot and protest so much )

French Yellow Vest protesters tear gassed in violent clashes with riot police in Paris

By Lukas Mikelionis | Fox News

Raw video: Yellow-vested protesters gather in central Paris near the near the Arc de Triomphe as heavily armed French authorities try to prevent violence.

PARIS - Heavily armed French police deployed tear gas and stun grenades against an army of Yellow Vests gathered in central Paris demanding Emmanuel Macron's head.

Up to 5,000 demonstrators gathered in the center of Paris Saturday morning, where they were met by some 8,000 police officers and at least 12 armored vehicles. More than 500 people have been arrested.

"We are not here to destroy Paris, we are here to tell Macron we are f--king fed up," said one protester before the clashes with the police began, adding that the people are protesting ever-increasing taxes on the working class.

French police, wearing riot gear, tried to stop and search protesters entering the Champs Elysees, but such efforts were eventually abandoned with the flow of thousands of demonstrators.

Police deployed tear gas and stun grenades after getting cornered, with some agitators starting to throw plastic bottles.

Water cannons were used near Arc de Triomphe, which is safeguarded this weekend after protesters defaced it during the previous weekends.

Some protesters were seen throwing rocks and glass bottles at police officers, sparking a continued flow of tear gas to contain the crowd.

At least one of the business buildings was breached, with agitators breaking the wooden walls aimed at protecting the business and smashing windows.

Protesters, wearing all black, began looting after storming a phone seller.

But the Yellow Vests, fearing the image of widespread destruction and looting, confronted the criminals, telling them to stop.

One individual used mace spray, though it's unclear if it was used on a looter. At least one looter was also pinned down on the floor and kicked for breaching the store.

Protesters threw back the tear gas at the police, only to escalate the clashes.

Many protesters slammed the French media for portraying the protests as led by violent agitators and for siding with Macron's government.

"We are not black bloc [black clad anarchists], we are ordinary people voicing our anger," said a protester who did not want to be identified.

A demonstrator wearing a yellow vest is covered in blood after getting in injured during a protest in Paris, Saturday, Dec. 8, 2018.

A demonstrator wearing a yellow vest is covered in blood after getting in injured during a protest in Paris, Saturday, Dec. 8, 2018. (AP Photo/Thibault Camus)

President Trump meanwhile twisted the knife, tweeting Saturday morning: "The Paris Agreement isn't working out so well for Paris. Protests and riots all over France.

"People do not want to pay large sums of money, much to third world countries (that are questionably run), in order to maybe protect the environment. Chanting "We Want Trump!" Love France."

Shops and tourist destinations, including the Eiffel Tower, were closed and soccer matches were canceled as authorities looked to maintain order.

The U.S. Embassy requested that Americans in the French capital "keep a low profile and avoid crowds," the report said.

As a precaution, nearly 300 people were arrested ahead of Saturday's expected disturbances, the report said. Just a week earlier some 200 cars were torched and the famed Arc de Triomphe was vandalized as protesters expressed opposition to Macron's government, according to the report.

Rising fuel prices triggered the initial protests, but some officials claimed that "ultra-violent" demonstrators took advantage of the situation, according to the BBC.

Meanwhile, Macron seemingly has gone missing as his government tries to curb the chaos caused by his unpopular gas-tax plan.

Macron swept into power in 2017, having emerged out of obscurity less than a year earlier. Espousing his own brand of centrism, he has presented himself on the world stage as a spokesman for multilateralism and internationalism against a nationalist wave moving through Europe.

While he has regularly been seen on world stages, including the United Nations and the U.S. Congress, his absence has been conspicuous this week, choosing to keep away from the limelight as his government attempts to deal with protesters' concerns.


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 08, 2018 11:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is a long article from the Chicago Tribune describing events so far.


There is some live coverage on YouTube, but when I watched, it was only milling crowds of yellow-jackets walking randomly with police ... like normal life, except the clouds of tear gas were visible. And there was some footage of a dozen firemen putting out a car fire. (Actually, there were two of them spraying down the flames, and ten supervisors ... it's France, after all ... but in 20 years, it'll be like that here.)

I gather that the police are guarding the Presidential Palace. The French are acting out a ritual revolution in the 21st century style. Macron has gone to ground, and if the mobs can get into the Presidential Palace, it means that Macron's regime is toppled, and perhaps the French will have the Sixth Republic ...

This seems to have hit the authorities from nowhere . They have been totally blind-sided, and are reacting with indecision and clumsiness, but in a way that seems to be inflaming the protests.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 2:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is some citizen journalism at work in Paris ... it's an interview with selections of footage they have gathered... the soundtrack is a French gilet-jaune answering questions.


The French interviewee makes a couple of good points. First, that it is leaderless and has no spokespeople. Second, while it started with the tax on gasoline, that was only the straw that broke the camel's back. There is now no grievance, and they don't have a solution that they can be offered. They are unified by a cold anger at something that is more general, vague ... but is nonetheless very general.

It's easy to start fitting this into the overall prevailing ideological narrative -- you know, the story of how the Left overcame the Orc armies of Conservatism to save the world from environmental destruction and brought a world ruled by Love into being ... but this has no ideology and seems to have no interest in having one.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 11:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This video shows that something similar is happening in Britain, except that it has an issue in the 'Brexit Betrayal'. In the video below ... which is long, and should be sampled rather than watched end to end ... shows Tommy Robinson at such a rally, after being denounced by Nigel Farage. He is surrounded by solid British people, soldiers, working class blokes, and middle class as well.


There is a determination to people these days, around these issues.

Personally, I wonder about Canada. We are further down the rabbit hole than anybody.
We are actually re-engineering the genders of our population. Have we been taken in by all this 'post-national' stuff? Is there no cultural soul to English-speaking Canada? Has it been buried under masses of immigrants and the kind of Liberal jibberish that our 'national identity' has devolved to the point that we are only a group bound together by a mutual health insurance plan?

We have been turned into a kind of social laboratory where the UN's nuttiest ideas about social engineering are implemented. They've taken gender away from us, now they're after our pronouns. Now they're dictating to Justin what his immigration policy should be. Why don't Canadians notice that they aren't even being consulted? If someone pipes up, they're told to sit down and shut up. By Andrew Scheer as much as Justin Trudeau.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Macron gave a speech earlier in which basically surrendered to the insurgents. The article gives his new policies, and a preliminary analysis of the costs.

Minister Says Macron's Concessions to Cost 8-10 Bn Euros for France © REUTERS / Benoit Tessier

Earlier today, French President Emmanuel Macron announced measures in response to dissatisfied protestors. Their cost would range between 8-10 billion euros ($9.1-$11.4 billion), Olivier Dussopt, French Minister of State for Public Action and Accounts Olivier Dussopt, said on Monday.

"It's between 8 to 10 billion euros," a junior minister said on BFM TV. "We are in the process of fine-tuning and to see how to finance it."

Earlier on Monday, Emanuel Macron announced "an economic emergency" in France. French President said that from 2019 the minimal wage will be increased by 100 euros [over $113] per month. The proposed measures also include bonuses for employees and exemptions from increased social security tax for pensioners earning less than 2,000 euros per month. [I euro = $1.50 CAD]

France has been witnessing a wave of mass protests since mid-November, when the so-called yellow vest protesters took to the streets. Their initial goal was to force Emmanuel Macron to abandon his controversial proposal to increase diesel and gasoline prices. According to reports, French security services have already detained as many as 4,532 people since the eruption of the yellow vest protests.

See if this ends it. Of course, it doesn't end it because -- where is the money going to come from?

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Europe Has A New Problem: Macron's "Populism" To Blow Out French Budget Deficit Far Beyond Italy's
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As if Brussels didn't have its hands full already with Italy and the UK, the European Union will soon be forced to rationalize why one of its favorite core members is allowed to pursue populist measures to blow out its budget deficit to ease domestic unrest while another is threatened with fines potentially amounting to billions of euros.

When blaming Russia failed to quell the widespread anger elicited by his policies, French President Emmanuel Macron tried to appease the increasingly violent "yellow vests" protesters who have sacked his capital city by offering massive tax cuts that could blow the French budget out beyond the 3% budget threshold outlined in the bloc's fiscal rules.

Given the concessions recently offered by Italy's populists, Macron's couldn't have picked a worse time to challenge the bloc's fiscal conventions. As Bloomberg pointed out, these rules will almost certainly set the Continent's second largest economy on a collision course with Brussels. To be clear, Macron's offered cuts come with a price tag of about €11 billion according to Les Echos, and will leave the country with a budget gap of 3.5% of GDP in 2019, with one government official said the deficit may be higher than 3.6%.

By comparison, Italy's initial projections put its deficit target at 2.4%, a number which Europe has repeatedly refused to consider.

Macron's promises of fiscal stimulus - which come on top of his government's decision to delay the planned gas-tax hikes that helped inspire the protests - were part of a broader 'mea culpa' offered by Macron in a speech Monday night, where he also planned to hike France's minimum wage. [....]

This is a desperate move to end the demonstrations, not to solve France's economic problems. A hgher minimum wage will only increase unemployment. More debt will only increase interest rates in the long run.

This kind of thing is OK because it can buy time, but there has to be a serious effort to solve the problems afterwards. I am coming to the conclusion that Justin Trudeau is lucky to have Macron around -- he's another leader that can make people laugh and shake their heads.
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