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PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2018 12:02 pm    Post subject: As scandals stack up: Tony Clement vs Raj Grewal Reply with quote

This is really getting funny. This is where TC and I can both join arms in rollicking good humour and do a two-step while pointing some fingers at the pure absurdity of what our media expect us to accept ...

Compare this ... Tony Cliement gets fired by the People ... and has nothing to do. Rough, after the limos and invitations you get when you're overseeing the Treasury Board. All around him a bunch of women who have been promoted over male rivals because of the importance of ... um ... well, I have to check my notes.

And many those young babes are looking for mentors. Tony knows how this game is played. He enters 'the market', offering 'mentorship for pussy' in a socially evident way. At least, evident to women.

The part that we don't hear about is ... he has some success! (I wonder what his success rate was?) It turns out that there are organized groups out there that will fund evidence, sucking the marrow out of the bones of relationships with discarded mistresses ... and why wouldn't a young woman who's willing to put her twat to the service of her career jump at the chance for an articling position at a Bay Street firm in return for hard evidence?

(But what do I know, being a more simple, rural sort? TC can probably show us how this is Tony's fault.)

We know how this all sorted itself out. Scheer clutched his pearls and ran away. Career destruction is underway. Conservatives, rats, ships ... what am I trying to say? My bet he's probably negotiating a 'price' for retiring from politics in disgrace.

Now we move to the interesting case of Raj Grewal, which is still breaking. The first announcement was that Mr. Grewal has caught a gambling addiction, much like the flu, and that he was resigning from politics to further his recovery and devote himself to his family. Except ... the RCMP were involved.

As the glowing virtue of a man actually recognizing his weaknesses and retiring to the healing bonds of a loving family ... (cue violins) ... was still on the front pages, a more sordid side came out. Grewal is the guy who recommended the airplane bomber for Trudeau's entourage, for example. The story quickly devolves into one of real estate deals, political insider knowledge, and front-loading deals. It's not over yet.

https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/rcmp-called-to-probe-tale-of-two-liberal-mps-a-suburban-overpass-trip-to-india-and-multimillion-dollar-land-deal

My question: Which is the more serious case of abuse of position? Should Grewal's more traditional form of corruption be downgraded in light on the more serious offence of trolling the office for pussy?

Call me old-fashioned if you like, but I prefer a guy who you can trust with the money even if he'd screw your daughter if he got a chance ... over a guy who'd steal your money and hire a call-girl. But perhaps that's an old-fashioned way to look at it. Clearly, it doesn't take into consideration the importance of treating women 'appropriately'. And it does require faith that my daughter can navigate these shoals for herself, which is clearly ... inappropriate these days. I don't know what I would do if Grewal were a transsexual ....

Let's watch and learn how the system deals with each. Will it treat Grewal better or worse than it has treated Clement? How will the media react?
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2018 5:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

both these scandals had me left wondering , do our MP's have too much free time on there hands ? aren't they suppose to be so busy with work that they can barely relax ?


yet Tony had time to spend hours on instagram posting pictures about nothing and sending out random messages to girls he didn't even know from real life .


and this Raj Grewal was apparently addicted to gambling and frequently at the Casino in Hull , and somehow he managed to find an endless amount of time to gamble after work

it makes you wonder what else are our MP's up to , it would seem doubtful to me that these 2 , were the only 2 up to no good in Ottawa
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2018 5:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You should be a little more sceptical, RCO. Casinos are perfect places to 'launder' money. You go there, you gamble, you end up with a chunk of cash you never had before, with a receipt from the Casino for the tax guys ... as far as they are concerned, as long as they get their share, they're happy.

Grewal is involved in an enterprise that uses knowledge about what local projects are going ahead, buying the land (in a corporate name) and selling it to the government when the project finally goes through ... or profiting in some other way from the foreknowledge of the decision.

And he 'gambles' a lot. These two things together raise questions -- I stress, only questions -- about connections with people who need to launder cash. Who would that be?

Or it would be a way to get a pay-off to a politician.

In my mind, the gambling addiction is just the cover story, used in the hope that nobody would probe deeper. Except the RCMP don't usually bother with politicians having "come to Jesus" moments in mid-career.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2018 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

( it was also just revealed that Grewal has been removed from the liberal caucus after his bizarre decision to reverse his resignation , a sign the liberals know he did something bad and are trying desperately to distance themselves from him )



December 1, 2018 12:35 pm Updated: December 1, 2018 3:18 pm

Raj Grewal no longer a member of Liberal caucus: chief whip Mark Holland

Jessica Vomiero By Jessica Vomiero
National Online Journalist Global News


Following Liberal MP Raj Grewal reversing his pledge to resign, MP Mark Holland from the Ajax-Durham region tweeted that Grewal is no longer a member of the Liberal caucus.

“I confirmed, in writing, earlier this morning to the Speaker of the House of Commons that Raj Grewal, MP for Brampton East, is not a member of the Liberal Caucus,” Holland’s tweet read.

While this suggests that Grewal will remain in his post as an independent, Global News has reached out to the Prime Minister’s Office for confirmation.

Grewal announced his plans to resign due to “personal and medical reasons” in a post on his Facebook page on Nov. 22. The Prime Minister’s Office later confirmed, referring to “gambling problems” as a factor in his resignation.

Holland previously commented on Grewal’s resignation when questions arose about whether the Brampton East official’s gambling addiction had anything to do with his removal from a role on the finance committee on Sept. 19, two months prior to the resignation announcement.

WATCH: After MP Raj Grewal announced he’d resign over his gambling problem, RCMP are now wondering where exactly he got that money from. And as Mercedes Stephenson reports, senior members of the Liberal party say Grewal lied about his gambling debts.


“I can confirm his movement had zero to do with the problems before us,” said Holland, the government-whip, who is in charge of membership on committees and handled Grewal’s move off the finance committee and onto the health committee.

“Absolutely not.”


NDP MP Peter Julian, one of the vice-chairs of the finance committee, told Global News prior to Holland’s comments that he believed the Liberals must have known about Grewal’s gambling problem when they moved him off the committee.

“Obviously, Liberals knew months ago,” he said. “They wouldn’t have moved him off without knowing this.”

Shortly after pledging to resign, however, Grewal sent an additional video to the Globe and Mail retracting that statement and calling it “ill-advised.” He added that the job he was elected to do as MP for Brampton East remains unfinished.


He said at the time that he would make his final decision after Parliament resumes in the new year, though this is now unclear.

https://globalnews.ca/news/4718874/raj-grewal-out-of-liberal-caucus/
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2018 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

( both these mp's also have something else in common , being unwilling to resign , even though its clear both there political careers are over . neither will ever be welcomed back into a major parties caucus or be approved as a candidate , so why are they still In Ottawa ?

or are they really still in Ottawa ( will either actually sit in the house as an independent MP ? ) or in fact just collecting a pay cheque as they supposedly get treatment or help of some sort )




Why is Brampton East MP Raj Grewal disgracing himself even more? And what about MP Tony Clement?


By posted by: Rattan Mall -
December 2, 2018


CHIEF Government Whip Mark Holland, MP for Ajax, in a tweet on Saturday, announced: “I confirmed, in writing, earlier this morning to the Speaker of the House of Commons that Raj Grewal, MP for Brampton East, is not a member of the Liberal Caucus.”

It is terribly deplorable that some South Asian MPs over the past two decades have brought much shame on such a vibrant and progressive community such as ours, thus giving racists an excuse to heap their scorn on us.

Grewal’s behaviour will only garner contempt for him rather than the sympathy people were willing to show at first.

He is now shamelessly clinging on to his seat after giving the impression that he had a problem with gambling and was ready to take treatment for it and thus redeem himself. He was to quit his position as MP and leave the Liberal caucus.

But all the sympathetic support that he was getting will now vanish.

He was first exposed by the Conservative Party last week on Wednesday when MP Peter Kent announced: “Yesterday, we learned that Mr. Grewal has, in fact, not resigned as Member of Parliament, despite statements from the PMO and Government House Leader indicating he had.”

He added: “Andrew Scheer’s Conservatives demand the Prime Minister remove Mr. Grewal from the Liberal caucus, and join us in asking for his immediate and official resignation from the House of Commons.”

Kent also bluntly noted: “Today, Canadians learned from media reports that Raj Grewal abused his position on the powerful House of Commons Finance committee by asking self-serving questions about money laundering to senior officials in the RCMP and other law-enforcement agencies. These questions appear to be directly related to his gambling activities, for which he is currently under RCMP investigation. This is in addition to the Ethics Commissioner’s investigation launched earlier this year into his decision to bring his non-Parliamentary employer on Justin Trudeau’s trip to India.”

On Friday, Grewal told the Globe and Mail that “every loan and repayment is transparent and retraceable. … My sins are not ones based in corruption and dishonesty. They are borne out of human frailty.”

And he called announcing his resignation on his Facebook “ill-advised,” adding that he would wait until January to make a permanent decision, and that he is seeking help for his gambling problem, the Globe and Mail reported.

Quite obviously, expecting the opposition parties to go ballistic on this issue, Justin Trudeau finally decided to act to end this embarrassing situation by ordering the chief government whip to kick Grewal out of caucus.

Such shameless, self-serving behaviour by Grewal deserves condemnation.


Tony Clement

MEANWHILE, Conservative MPs are keeping quiet about why their former colleague Tony Clement, M.P., for Parry Sound-Muskoka, also refuses to resign as MP after his disgusting sexual behaviour was exposed.

Clement had resigned as the party’s justice critic when a sextortion scandal involving him came to light. He revealed: “Over the last three weeks, I have shared sexually explicit images and a video of myself to someone who I believed was a consenting female recipient. The recipient was, in fact, an individual or party who targeted me for the purpose of financial extortion. The RCMP are currently investigating the matter to determine the identity of the party responsible for the extortion attempt.”

However, the former federal minister had to be kicked out of the Conservative Party when party leader Andrew Scheer found that there was more than one allegation of sexual impropriety against him.

But Clement refused to quit as MP, stating: “I love my job and I love my family. I am committed to getting the professional help I need to continue serving my family, my community and my country in whatever ways I can. I wish to sincerely thank the many members of our community who have reached out to convey their thoughts and prayers to me. I can assure the residents of Parry Sound – Muskoka that my offices remain open and at your service, and that I will continue to uphold the responsibilities of being your Member of Parliament.”

Shamelessness seems to be the way to go for our politicians, eh!

As the Toronto Star put it: “The career explosions of Clement and Grewal this fall are a fascinating look into the lives and temptations of ordinary MPs. A few more and we could have a reality-TV series on Netflix.”

https://www.voiceonline.com/why-is-brampton-east-mp-raj-grewal-disgracing-himself-even-more-and-what-about-mp-tony-clement/
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2018 10:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From reading these articles, it seems that the media looks on each of these MPs as moral equivalents, or if anything, that Clement is a bigger offender than Grewal!

Clement is portrayed, after all, as a desperate individual willing to do anything to retain his position ... what position, you might ask? On the shadow cabinet ... I don't think it pays a salary. In other words, everything in his work life has been taken away from him, even the honorifics ...

Grewal, by contrast, is angling to get back in the Liberal caucus He's not going into treatment for anything, it's just that all we can catch is the stench ... but something quite possibly criminal is going on there ... involving money, and hard assets. Count on it. Not some pathetic old has-been looking for ambitious young women on their way up.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

( this article has some new information about Grewal , indicates he had a gambling problem going back to his time in university and that when in Ottawa he was staying in a hotel connected to the Hull Casino for some reason ( seems like an odd place for an MP to be staying the Hilton , why not just rent an apartment ? )

would seem to me that someone staying in a hotel connected to a casino was doing so intentionally . and why did his history of gambling problems not come up when he was screened as a candidate before the 2015 election ? )



This Embattled Brampton MP Is Not Resigning After All


by Alan Kan on December 2, 2018

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A Brampton MP who announced he would be stepping down to deal with “personal and medical issues has now changed his mind.


Liberal Raj Grewal put out this video to the Globe and Mail last week, which he also put up on his Facebook page. In it, the 33 year old politician said his earlier announcement that he would step aside was made under duress.


“In a highly emotional state, completely exhausted and facing an extreme time constraint, I made an ill advised statement on Facebook that I would be resigning my seat. I can see how some might think that it is right for me to resign,” said Grewal. He added that he will now be leaving the Liberal Party caucus, taking a leave of absence to focus on his mental health and recovery.

He also addressed a number of other controversial issues surrounding him the last few days. With regards to the mental health issues, Grewal said they stemmed from compulsive gambling that dates back since his university days. While in Ottawa he was staying at the Hilton Hotel in Gatineau, which was also connected to the Casino du Lac Leamy.

“In early 2016, I first started to visit the Casino recreationally to play blackjack. This quickly escalated into a significant problem as I started to play high stakes, high limit blackjack. On an average sitting, I would spend between 15 to 30 minutes at a table, and I either won a lot of money, which made me continue to chase wins, or I lost a significant amount of money, which threw me into complete despair,” Grewal said.

Another allegation was that Grewal was using his position on the Finance Committee in Parliament, asking questions about money laundering to see if his gambling was being tracked by the authorities was “a stretch of reality and to take the situation completely out of context,” in Grewal’s words. What he is referring to was this exchange last week during Question Period between an NDP MP and Prime Minister Justin Trudeau.


The MP also said that while he had borrowed money to feed his gambling addiction, he said he paid back every loan he had taken out. Regarding other areas of his personal finances, Grewal said he and his wife maintain separate bank accounts, that he does not own more than one vehicle (only co-signed a lease on a vehicle for a friend) and that he does maintain three lines of credit which were disclosed to the ethics commissioner.

“My wife and I jointly purchased one condo in Toronto for $1.44 million where we currently have a for $1 million. Like many young Canadians, we worked hard, saved, received help from our parents and invested in real estate as part of our financial plan. The media has implied that the mortgage is in excess of its purchase price, which is not true and not possible under Canada’s banking regime,” Grewal said.

Finally, there is the controversy that he is moonlighting with another company while serving as an MP. Grewal said that these “other employment relationships” were both disclosed to and approved by the ethics commissioner.

“Since January 2018, I ended my relationship with one employer and continued to work in a limited capacity with another for the purposes of maintaining my legal skill set. I have worked with the ethics commissioner regarding my employment and will continue to cooperate with his office,” the MP stated.

Grewal ended his statement saying he will make a decision about his political future before Parliament resumes in the new year.


In the end, what does this mean for the people specifically in Brampton East?

The toughest issue to hear about is Grewal’s gambling problem. Sometimes we forget that those in elected office are only human beings, subject to the same human failings as the rest of us. It is even tougher to swallow when mental health issues are involved.

As for the issues surrounding Grewal’s finances, there’s nothing stopping anyone in Canada from embarking on the decisions that Grewal made with his money, such as taking out a mortgage for a downtown condo and opening several lines of credit. Even his resignation from Parliament would not have stopped any investigation from taking place.

But this goes to the wider issue of whether greater scrutiny is needed not only in the federal government when it comes to screening or giving security clearance to Members of Parliament, which is not the case right now, but whether political parties need better internal mechanisms to screen the people who run as candidates under their banner.

Before when he apparently resigned, the talk was who could run in that seat. Now the talk is probably whether Mr. Grewal can weather the political storm (he was recently nominated to stand as a Liberal candidate in Brampton East for the 2019 election) and get reelected.

https://www.inbrampton.com/this-embattled-brampton-mp-is-not-resigning-after-all
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 10:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We should ignore this nonsense about gambling ... it's not a disease, it's a choice.

The questions we want answered are about why he was nosing around trying to find out how the RCMP invvestigate money-laundering -- for example -- not how he felt as he passed a blackjack table. You know what? I haven't seen a blackjack table in years ... they aren't hard to avoid.

It isn't that I am totally unfamiliar with compulsiveness -- I struggle with a compulsive desire for Hagen-Daas ... but I fight those demons by walking by that display double-quick. It's not hard. It's an example of my moral courage that I offer freely to the world.

It's just that Grewal seems to me to be organizing a raid on the Treasury, and that's a whole lot more important to me than empathizing with a thief that is casing out a target.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 1:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bugs wrote:
From reading these articles, it seems that the media looks on each of these MPs as moral equivalents, or if anything, that Clement is a bigger offender than Grewal!

Clement is portrayed, after all, as a desperate individual willing to do anything to retain his position ... what position, you might ask? On the shadow cabinet ... I don't think it pays a salary. In other words, everything in his work life has been taken away from him, even the honorifics ...

Grewal, by contrast, is angling to get back in the Liberal caucus He's not going into treatment for anything, it's just that all we can catch is the stench ... but something quite possibly criminal is going on there ... involving money, and hard assets. Count on it. Not some pathetic old has-been looking for ambitious young women on their way up.




I don't think there is any chance of Grewal getting back into the liberal caucus , the article I posted to the cpc nomination thread indicates the liberals now consider Brampton East to be an "open nomination " and are seeking new candidates for the riding as my understanding
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We should ignore this nonsense about gambling ... it's not a disease, it's a choice.

The questions we want answered are about why he was nosing around trying to find out how the RCMP invvestigate money-laundering -- for example -- not how he felt as he passed a blackjack table. You know what? I haven't seen a blackjack table in years ... they aren't hard to avoid.

It isn't that I am totally unfamiliar with compulsiveness -- I struggle with a compulsive desire for Hagen-Daas ... but I fight those demons by walking by that display double-quick. It's not hard. It's an example of my moral courage that I offer freely to the world.

It's just that Grewal seems to me to be organizing a raid on the Treasury, and that's a whole lot more important to me than empathizing with a thief that is casing out a target.



I would agree gambling is a rather common hobby or addiction , surely Grewal is not the first MP who went to the Casino in Hull to play blackjack


the bigger questions are did he try and use his position as MP and committee member to gain insider information related to his activities or such


and for how long were the liberals aware of his questionable behaviour , he seems to have been gambling for some time . why did this not raise red flags when he was approved to run as a liberal candidate in 2015 ?


wouldn't they have done more research into someone deeply involved in high stakes . big money gambling ? and who owed significant money
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 8:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

( its also been revealed that Grewal held a fundraiser this year which raised $600,000. far more than he would need to run in his small riding. although this event by itself was not illegal it does appear odd )


NDP MP Cullen wants Canada Elections commissioner to investigate Grewal’s April $600,000 fundraiser, Grewal’s lawyer says he did nothing wrong

By Abbas Rana Dec. 6, 2018


According to Ind. MP Raj Grewal’s Facebook posts, the cost to attend the April 6 fundraiser was $500 per person, and 1,200 people attended the event


Liberal-turned-Independent MP Raj Grewal, pictured in this file photo on the Hill, announced three weeks ago that he was resigning from his seat, but recently said in a video statement posted on his Facebook page that he was reconsidering his decision and would make a final announcement about his future before the House returns for the winter sitting in late January. He was kicked out of the Liberal caucus last Saturday. The Hill Times file photograph


NDP MP Nathan Cullen has asked Commissioner of Canada Elections Yves Coté to investigate an April fundraiser organized by rookie MP Raj Grewal who is said to have raised $600,000 in one night.

Mr. Cullen (Skeena-Bulkley Valley, B.C.) said he sent a letter to Mr. Coté on Thursday morning, citing unanswered questions to the Liberal-turned-Independent MP’s recent public disclosure to a gambling addiction, his ouster from the Liberal caucus, and the ongoing investigations by the ethics commissioner and the RCMP.

“I am writing with regard to the Member of Parliament for Brampton East, Raj Grewal. As you may be aware, the Member has announced that he amassed millions of dollars of personal debt while gambling, is under investigation by the Ethics Commissioner and it has been reported in a number of media outlets that the Member may be included as part of wider RCMP investigations into money laundering and criminal financing,” Mr. Cullen wrote in his letter.

The $500 per person fundraiser took place at the Chandni Banquet Hall, in Brampton, Ont., on Friday, April 6 from 7 p.m.-9 p.m. In an invite posted on his Facebook page on March 13, Mr. Grewal mentioned that tax receipts would be issued for the $500 cost. On Tuesday, April 10, Mr. Grewal thanked 1,200 people who attended the fundraiser.

“A very special thank you to the over 1,200 guests that came to the Brampton East Federal Liberal Riding Association Dinner last Friday night!” wrote Mr. Grewal. “In 2015, we promised that we would always be there if we earned your vote, as we build up towards 2019, we continue to deliver on that promise! If we can be of any service please do not hesitate to contact us—Raj Grewal.

But Mr. Grewal’s lawyer, Joel Etienne, said Mr. Grewal has always followed Elections Canada’s rules and did nothing wrong.

“Over the last few days, it’s our opinion that Nathan Cullen appears to have become much more interested in the riding of Brampton East, than in the people of his own riding of Skeena-Bulkley Valley. Mr. Cullen’s information is incorrect and based on fiction. Mr. Grewal has always followed the rules under Elections Canada and will continue to do so,” said Mr. Etienne.

Mr. Etienne did not respond before deadline to a follow-up email from The Hill Times, asking how much money Mr. Grewal raised at the April 6 fundraiser or any details about why he said Mr. Cullen’s information is incorrect.


Mr. Grewal was first elected in the 2015 election in the newly rejigged and renamed riding of Brampton East where the election spending limit was $201,000. The last general election campaign was the longest in Canadian political history going back to 1872. A key factor in determining the spending limit is its length, which means the longer the election campaign, the higher the spending limit. Before the redistribution of Electoral boundaries that came into effect before the 2015 election, the riding of Brampton East was called Bramalea-Gore-Malton. In the 2011 election campaign, which was 37 days long, the spending limit in Bramalea-Gore-Malton was $104,704.


NDP MP Nathan Cullen has asked the Commissioner of Canada Elections Yves Côté to investigate the April 6 fundraiser that Mr. Grewal hosted and the cost to attend the event was $500 per person. The Hill Times photograph by Andrew Meade

“It has come to my attention that the Member held a fundraiser with the Brampton East Liberal Association at which $600,000 were raised through donations,” wrote Mr. Cullen. “In a statement released by the Member on November 30, Mr. Grewal claims to have kept his gambling debts hidden from everyone, including his family. As such, I believe it is incumbent that the financial affairs of the Brampton East Liberal Association are now reviewed.”

Mr. Cullen asked Mr. Coté to investigate where the money came from, whether it was reported properly, and where this money was spent.

“I ask that you investigate the money that was raised at this event and the reporting of these contributions in the association’s annual returns. In particular, I request that you investigate with regard to subsequent account transaction of these donations and how these funds were distributed. Given the candidate expenses limit of $104,704 in Brampton-Groe-Malton for the 2011 general election, the money raised in a single night at this fundraiser would allow Mr. Grewal to run the next election many times over.”


Mr. Grewal, a former Bay Street lawyer, announced his resignation plan on Nov. 22, citing medical and personal reasons. But on Friday, Nov. 30, released a recorded video on his Facebook page in which he said he was reconsidering his plan to resign and would make a final decision by late January. The federal Liberals announced on Saturday, Dec. 1, that the MP has been dropped from the Liberal caucus.

The Prime Minister’s Office said in a statement on Nov. 23 that they “are aware of inquiries by the RCMP regarding the circumstances that were the subject of a complaint to the ethics commissioner about Mr. Grewal earlier this year.” The statement added that Mr. Grewal had informed the PMO that he is undergoing treatment for a “gambling problem” for which he incurred “significant personal debts.”

Citing an unnamed source, The Canadian Press reported two weeks ago that the OPP first heard about Mr. Grewal’s debts on wiretaps in an ongoing investigation of other “shady” individuals suspected of money laundering and terrorist financing. The report also said that the RCMP asked the Ontario Provincial Police’s gaming unit about Mr. Grewal’s gambling, based on reports of unusually large financial transactions.

In May, the Conflict of Interest and Ethics Commissioner Mario Dion started an investigation to determine whether Mr. Grewal broke any section of the ethics code by inviting a construction company executive to the Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s (Papineau, Que.) trip to India in February. The investigation is still ongoing.


In his recorded video and apology to his constituents last Saturday, Mr. Grewal said he racked up a multi-million-dollar debt because he has a mental health issue with gambling, and added that he borrowed money only from friends and family. He also said he has repaid back money in full, but did not provide specific details on the amount of the debt or the names of who helped him in paying the money back.

“I want to make it clear, that every single personal loan made to me was by cheque. Everybody has been paid back, and every loan and repayment is transparent and traceable. This has nothing to do at all with anything sinister except to feed my own addiction. I apologize to my family for both having to financially bail me out and to carry this burden with me,” Mr. Grewal stated.

Mr. Grewal has not been charged with any crime, and he is still sitting as a Member of Parliament.


https://www.hilltimes.com/2018/12/06/ndp-mp-cullen-wants-elections-commissioner-cote-investigate-liberal-turned-ind-mp-grewals-april-600000-fundraiser/180415
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He's still not as bad as Tony ... in the media's view ... or the view of the Conservative Party.
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Bugs wrote:
He's still not as bad as Tony ... in the media's view ... or the view of the Conservative Party.



I'm not sure but maybe part of the reason people looked on Tony so badly was his response to the entire situation


he released some odd statements and changed his story several times . and even now we still don't know a lot of the details of what really happened . who was the women he sexted who later tried to extort him ? or who did he think she was , it doesn't appear she was one of his mistresses


perhaps if he had come clean sooner and acknowledged his guilt and wrong doings . and simply resigned instead of trying to hang onto his job as mp . he'd have given people the sense he had accepted the reality of the situation and realised he needed to leave Ottawa because of his bad behaviour .


I don't get the sense yet he's actually acknowledged the fact he violated his oath of office and let people down . I find it truly bizarre that he is trying to hang on to his job as MP in light of everything we now know about this story and his pattern of odd behaviour towards young women online
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Justify the treatment of the two cases as you will ... the fact is the system is showing us it treats middle-aged male "inappropriateness" as a bigger problem than organizing a raid on the Canadian Treasury.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bugs wrote:
Justify the treatment of the two cases as you will ... the fact is the system is showing us it treats middle-aged male "inappropriateness" as a bigger problem than organizing a raid on the Canadian Treasury.

Actions are what is important.



but there is no evidence Grewal stole money from the government to pay for his gambling habits yet . but there should be a deeper look into where exactly his gambling money came from and how he paid off his debts so suddenly


I wouldn't say tony's actions were a threat to the country , but he did let people down and he needs to accept the reality of his actions. he may somehow redeem himself in the future but I think it would be a mistake to try and continue on as a public servant after such behaviour


he had a good run and prior to the incident served the country well but he needs to admit its over
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