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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 8:47 pm    Post subject: Trudeau to Facebook: certify the news or face regulations Reply with quote

This is alarming. There are two ideas of what "fake news" is ... By the time he's through, he'll be the only one in the country who is allowed to circulate lies.

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Trudeau to Facebook: Fix your fake news problem or face stricter regulations
The prime minister warned that Ottawa would intervene with stricter federal regulations if the social media giant doesn’t address integrity issues.
By ALEX BOUTILIEROttawa Bureau
Thu., Feb. 8, 2018

OTTAWA—Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has warned social networking giant Facebook it needs to fix its “fake news” problems or face stronger regulation from Ottawa.

Trudeau told Facebook chief operating officer Sheryl Sandberg in November he was concerned the company wasn’t doing enough to stop the spread of misleading information on their platform, a source with direct knowledge of the conversation told the Star.

Facebook has been under intense international scrutiny for allowing so-called “fake news” — false and often outlandish information presented as legitimate journalism — to propagate on its network.

But as seen during the 2016 U.S. presidential election, the tactic can also mislead or manipulate citizens to further political ends – whether by partisan actors domestically, or hostile nations internationally. Facebook has also faced criticism about a lack of transparency around who is buying ads on their platform.

As Canadian political parties prepare for the 2019 federal election, the source said Trudeau suggested Ottawa could intervene if Facebook doesn’t adequately address the issues.

The source described the conversation as “constructive.”

Trudeau’s comments came during a meeting with Sandberg at the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation forum in Vietnam last November. According to the source, Trudeau was particularly concerned about Facebook identifying the origin of partisan “news” posts or advertisements.

Neither the Prime Minister’s Office nor Facebook would discuss the specifics of that meeting.

“We stand with the lawmakers around the world, including in Canada, in their efforts to protect the democractic process,” wrote Kevin Chan, Facebook’s policy chief in Canada, in a statement to the Star.

“We will continue to work with lawmakers on the right solution, but we aren’t waiting for legislation to start getting solutions in place now.”

The Trudeau government has a complicated relationship status with social media giants like Facebook and Twitter.

On the one hand, Trudeau and his ministers are the most plugged-in cabinet in Canadian history. Constant Twitter posts, statements pushed out through Instagram, and announcements streamed on Facebook are hallmarks about how this government operates.

On the other hand, there are growing concerns across Ottawa about the reach and power of these platforms — and the possibility of interference in the 2019 election on multiple online fronts.

The Communications Security Establishment, Canada’s high-tech espionage and cyber security agency, has warned it is “very likely” outside groups will attempt to influence the election.
https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2018/02/08/trudeau-to-facebook-fix-your-fake-news-problem-or-else.html
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

this is another example of trudeau being a bully , he has the most followers online that a Canadian politician has ever had but he's now upset that other voices are being heard on facebook ?

apparently his office is upset at a facebook group called "Ontario proud " originally it was focused on removing Kathleen Wynne from office but has now started making posts against trudeau and some have been getting a lot of views on facebook


but I doubt a few little anti trudeau facebook groups would really be enough to drive him from office which is why I say this is an example of him being a bully and deciding to go after his online critics
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 12:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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There are two ideas of what "fake news" is


You may think so but of course there isnt. How utterly silly .

There is news, and there is opinion. You conflate the two all the time.

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this is another example of trudeau being a bully


Oh really?

Funny thing though....it says, in the article posted the following.." “We stand with the lawmakers around the world, including in Canada, in their efforts to protect the democractic process,” wrote Kevin Chan, Facebook’s policy chief in Canada, in a statement to the Star.

“We will continue to work with lawmakers on the right solution, but we aren’t waiting for legislation to start getting solutions in place now.”

Are they all being bully's or just JT . LOL !
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 12:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Toronto Centre wrote:
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There are two ideas of what "fake news" is


You may think so but of course there isnt. How utterly silly .

There is news, and there is opinion. You conflate the two all the time.

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this is another example of trudeau being a bully


Oh really?

Funny thing though....it says, in the article posted the following.." “We stand with the lawmakers around the world, including in Canada, in their efforts to protect the democractic process,” wrote Kevin Chan, Facebook’s policy chief in Canada, in a statement to the Star.

“We will continue to work with lawmakers on the right solution, but we aren’t waiting for legislation to start getting solutions in place now.”

Are they all being bully's or just JT . LOL !



there is little evidence we even have a fake news problem In Canada , there was no reports of significant amounts of "fake news " during the 2015 election .

the liberals seem to have created this problem , cause there upset with a couple new anti liberal groups on facebook that have been getting a lot of views

the people in Trudeau's office aren't in politics just for something to do or cause they though it would be fun , there in Ottawa cause they wanted to be in "power " and feel its the liberal party's right to be in power

anyone seen getting in the way of this is now a threat , even a facebook group willing to challenge trudeau is now a national crisis worthy of intervention at the highest levels
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 12:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TC is again boring us with his attitudes. Too bad he can't put more rational justifications under those attitudes.

I encourage the gentle reader to consider how the electronic world has become the marketplace for political jousting. This is an example of real people -- not stuffed sock puppets like TC -- reacting to Gerald Butt's attempts to make it seem that goofy Justin is "kewl" ... the verdict? He's not.

https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/961684677500325890

What Trudeau is trying to do is interfere in this tower of Babel so that he looks good all the time.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 12:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RCO wrote:



there is little evidence we even have a fake news problem In Canada , there was no reports of significant amounts of "fake news " during the 2015 election .

Gosh...and here I thought it was 2018 . So something that didnt happen 3 years ago means nothing is happening now.

Phew...a guy could be worried but all is fine now.
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the liberals seem to have created this problem

They did?

How did the Liberals establish all the efforts of some townsfolk in Veles, Macedonia to come up with all the outright lies that have been published from there?
Did they secretly go over and pay off the people to perpetuate falsities?

Come on man...people want to know.

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, cause there upset with a couple new anti liberal groups on facebook that have been getting a lot of views

Tell ya what, call me when they shut down the Star, Nat'l Post, G&M etc etc since there are anti-Liberal viewpoints published in them all the time.

In the meantime keep your tin foil hat on. They really ARE listening to you.
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the people in Trudeau's office aren't in politics just for something to do or cause they though it would be fun , there in Ottawa cause they wanted to be in "power " and feel its the liberal party's right to be in power

I see.

when did you interview them all ? Is there data to confirm such a well thought out idea?
But the Harper regime et al, PC, etc , THEY of course were only in to serve and have fun.

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anyone seen getting in the way of this is now a threat , even a facebook group willing to challenge trudeau is now a national crisis worthy of intervention at the highest levels


Wow...double up your tin foil.

If you believe half of what you write then I am sorry for your education.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 12:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Going to answer the questions posed Bugs or comtinue to run and hide.


Guess which answer I think is coming. We called those like you chicken shits.

Spout inanities, get called on it and run and hide. Momma Bugs, please let jr Bugs out to answer for his mouth.

LOL !
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 1:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Toronto Centre wrote:
RCO wrote:



there is little evidence we even have a fake news problem In Canada , there was no reports of significant amounts of "fake news " during the 2015 election .

Gosh...and here I thought it was 2018 . So something that didnt happen 3 years ago means nothing is happening now.

Phew...a guy could be worried but all is fine now.
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the liberals seem to have created this problem

They did?

How did the Liberals establish all the efforts of some townsfolk in Veles, Macedonia to come up with all the outright lies that have been published from there?
Did they secretly go over and pay off the people to perpetuate falsities?

Come on man...people want to know.

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, cause there upset with a couple new anti liberal groups on facebook that have been getting a lot of views

Tell ya what, call me when they shut down the Star, Nat'l Post, G&M etc etc since there are anti-Liberal viewpoints published in them all the time.

In the meantime keep your tin foil hat on. They really ARE listening to you.
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the people in Trudeau's office aren't in politics just for something to do or cause they though it would be fun , there in Ottawa cause they wanted to be in "power " and feel its the liberal party's right to be in power

I see.

when did you interview them all ? Is there data to confirm such a well thought out idea?
But the Harper regime et al, PC, etc , THEY of course were only in to serve and have fun.

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anyone seen getting in the way of this is now a threat , even a facebook group willing to challenge trudeau is now a national crisis worthy of intervention at the highest levels


Wow...double up your tin foil.

If you believe half of what you write then I am sorry for your education.



either way its clear trudeau and his office want to remove groups like "Ontario proud " from facebook cause they dared to challenge the liberals right to power

if he has his way they won't be active on facebook by the 2019 election , he went to the facebook offices to show how important an issue it was to him , this is clearly now one of his top priorities

trying to rid the internet of a little facebook group that dared to challenge him , what does that say about this man ?

he has the most followers online of any politician in Canadian history , with the press of 1 button he could literally reach the newsfeeds of millions of Canadians

but instead he wants so desperately to get rid of a few facebook groups that dare to oppose his government and claim there spreading fake news
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 2:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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either way its clear trudeau and his office want to remove groups like "Ontario proud " from facebook cause they dared to challenge the liberals right to power

They do?

How would that be accomplished? Are they purveyors of fake news? Are they flat earthers? Moon landing was a hoaxc type?

'Either way its clear' is rco speak for 'I am a conspiratorist' for which any silly thing I can tyhink up is true.
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if he has his way they won't be active on facebook by the 2019 election , he went to the facebook offices to show how important an issue it was to him , this is clearly now one of his top priorities

Oh clearly. I mean he is on it 24-7 right?

Ever heard of the Charter ? Its this cool thing that protects rights. It means the govt cannot unilaterally just get folks popped off facebook.

You should read it some time instead of wasting time thinking up garbage.
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trying to rid the internet of a little facebook group that dared to challenge him , what does that say about this man ?

When judge and jury , with no basis in fact decides , what does that say about a lying poster on TBT ?

LOL....you have zero knowledge that JT is trying to do this.

Zero.

And you make yourself look silly for trying.

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but instead he wants so desperately to get rid of a few facebook groups that dare to oppose his government and claim there spreading fake news


Keep on repeating this mantra....enough times and even you might believe it !

While your at it, also say 'the earth is flat, the earth is flat'..... and voila, the earth will be flat !

Dont give up !
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 2:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

( its clear the people in the PMO office have a huge issue with any negative media coverage directed at trudeau , Gerard Butts lashed out the other day, referring to them as Nazi's cause they made jokes about trudeau's bizarre "peoplekind " remarks . the people in the PMO office clearly want to control the media and now facebook is there next target , they want to rid it of any groups that dare to post anything critical of trudeau )



At 4am Butts tweeted:


The lesson to take from this joke being torqued by Infowars and other alt-right nazi friends of the Rebel is they're paying attention. Game on, #TeamTrudeau.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 2:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

its clear the people in the PMO office have a huge issue with any negative media coverage directed at the leader.
the people in the PMO office clearly want to control the media and now is there next target , they want to rid it of any groups that dare to post anything critical of the PM.

help me out with this ^ please?

I cant help feeling you are talking about the guy who controlled the media insofar as refusing to sit down with them, changing all the rules (written or not) about how to interact with media, demanding the names of all question submitters (in the idea they could cherry pick) who also was the worst at packing town hall type meetings....


You know, Stephen Harper ? Do you recall that guy?

Why of course you do. But lets not let that get in the way of some half baked loony conspriacy rant...eh ?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 3:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Toronto Centre wrote:
its clear the people in the PMO office have a huge issue with any negative media coverage directed at the leader.
the people in the PMO office clearly want to control the media and now is there next target , they want to rid it of any groups that dare to post anything critical of the PM.

help me out with this ^ please?

I cant help feeling you are talking about the guy who controlled the media insofar as refusing to sit down with them, changing all the rules (written or not) about how to interact with media, demanding the names of all question submitters (in the idea they could cherry pick) who also was the worst at packing town hall type meetings....


You know, Stephen Harper ? Do you recall that guy?

Why of course you do. But lets not let that get in the way of some half baked loony conspriacy rant...eh ?



no one is going to deny that the harper government had a huge problem with relations with the media when they were in power


but Trudeau said he and his government were going to be different

wasting so much time and government resources to go after a few anti trudeau facebook groups is really pitiful

that is not something you'd expect from a government that claims to be different and claims to value people's rights under the charter .
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 3:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RCO wrote:


no one is going to deny that the harper government had a huge problem with relations with the media when they were in power

Now youre talking sense !


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but Trudeau said he and his government were going to be different

I agree with this.

Well lets get some facts in here .

From your post earlier...
"The source described the conversation as “constructive.”

Trudeau’s comments came during a meeting with Sandberg at the Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation forum in Vietnam last November. According to the source, Trudeau was particularly concerned about Facebook identifying the origin of partisan “news” posts or advertisements.

Neither the Prime Minister’s Office nor Facebook would discuss the specifics of that meeting.
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wasting so much time and government resources to go after a few anti trudeau facebook groups is really pitiful

See my bold? What do all of them have in common? With words used such as " the, of that meeting, during that meeting....it should be obvious.
All of them refer to a lone, single, one time event.

No, what would be really pitiful is the fact one would make an attempt to portray this as some ongoing witch hunt involving lots of time meetings and such.

Clearly that changes your narrative? If it doesnt then you need a lesson in honesty and how to avoid hypcrisy.
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that is not something you'd expect from a government that claims to be different and claims to value people's rights under the charter .

The claim to be different is granted, the ideaq that ones rights are being negated is not only wrong but grossly and insultingly incorrect. Kind of righjt wing Rebel dishonesty and hyperbole.

Like I said.............

Own it !
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Addressing the original post;

I am somewhat bewildered by the concept of attempting to regulate an entity that does not require you to provide any evidence of who you are in order to have an account and contribute to the community.

More so how a country with no real legal recourse over these entities somehow feels they can find a mechanism to do so.

How does the Canadian Government threaten stronger regulations?

Its (Be it Facebook, Twitter, etc) not an entity that is domiciled in Canada and I would imagine (pure speculation) that the issue with "fake news" is likely not based in majority with users from the country the Federal Government actually has some degree of control over.

I can understand why no one discussed specifics of meeting, because I can't quite understand exactly what the Federal Government's recourse would be if Facebook simply said "No".
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 11:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cosmostein wrote:
Addressing the original post;

I am somewhat bewildered by the concept of attempting to regulate an entity that does not require you to provide any evidence of who you are in order to have an account and contribute to the community.

More so how a country with no real legal recourse over these entities somehow feels they can find a mechanism to do so.

How does the Canadian Government threaten stronger regulations?

Its (Be it Facebook, Twitter, etc) not an entity that is domiciled in Canada and I would imagine (pure speculation) that the issue with "fake news" is likely not based in majority with users from the country the Federal Government actually has some degree of control over.

I can understand why no one discussed specifics of meeting, because I can't quite understand exactly what the Federal Government's recourse would be if Facebook simply said "No".



that's a very interesting question , social media when it surged into this level of popularity , its created challenges people didn't see coming , 10 or 20 years ago when original laws were written

but social media has always been a place where anyone could sign up for an account and then post whatever content they wanted to there page . there was never a rule that content had to be 100% truthful or from credible sources . people have been allowed to post what they want and create there own original content

the whole idea of social media was to allow people a sense of freedom and allow for them to have some creativity in there posts and content

how could any government come along and now say , all that content must be truthful or from reliable sources ? doesn't that take away one's freedom of speech in a big way ? if there not allowed to create there own original content ?

it doesn't come as a huge surprise that the control freaks ( gerard butts ) In the PMO office are now freaking out that people are posting things they don't like to facebook , there losing the control over the narrative the liberals have with the mainstream media in Canada and they hate it
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