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PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2018 10:05 am    Post subject: 92% of families will face tax hike by 2019 - study Reply with quote

( so much for growing the middle class , looks like there taxes will be going up not down )


92% of middle class families face tax hike over $2,200 beginning in 2019: Fraser Institute


Jenny Yuen



Published:
January 11, 2018


Updated:
January 11, 2018 7:21 AM EST


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A new Fraser Institute report — The Effect of Canadian Families of Changes to Federal Income Tax and CPP Payroll Tax — says more than 90% of Canadian families will pay higher taxes once the Canada Pension Plan tax increases are fully implemented by 2025. The first of seven increases to CPP tax — which all workers much pay — begins January 2019. The study’s co-author, Charles Lammam, talks about the impact on middle-class families.

What was the most surprising thing you found in the report?

“Canadian families will endure a significant tax increase and that tax bill will increase over time. The Trudeau government has talked a lot about cutting taxes for families. Based on the personal income tax changes they’ve already put in the case, we’ve found that’s not true for the vast majority of middle class families. But then there are major tax changes set to come into effect, starting next year, particularly the payroll tax hike to fund the Canada Pension Plan expansion. We found that plus what has already been implemented will result in over 92% of all families with children in Canada paying higher taxes and they’ll be paying on average $2,200 more per year.”



(Kenishirotie/Getty Images)

Why is this significant?

“The Trudeau government has repeatedly claimed to cut taxes on the vast majority of families and our findings show that’s not the case…The reason why the Trudeau government is claiming they cut taxes because they’re focusing on just one of the many changes that they’ve either enacted themselves or spearheaded as a government. The focus has been on the federal rate cut from 22% to 20.5% — however, the reality is they’ve introduced several other tax changes both to the personal income tax system and they’ve spearheaded with the provinces, CPP, which will result in higher payroll taxes.”


What does a $2,200 tax hike mean in context for 92% of families in Canada?

“It could be a mortgage payment for a family, it could be childcare, grocery bills. We’re not talking about a trivial amount here. It is a significant increase in the tax bill, no doubt. When we look at the middle class, they’re actually more hard-hit than the overall average. Which is ironic because that is the group of families that Trudeau government has said they want to help. In fact, what will happen in practice, there will be basically no tax decrease for anybody once the CPP tax changes are in full effect.”



The Canada Revenue Agency headquarters in Ottawa is shown on November 4, 2011.

What happens to the remaining 8% of families?

“Either their tax bill stays the same or slightly decrease. We don’t do the analysis – who the incomes are of the 8%. It’s not something our analysis includes. What I can say is when you look at that middle group of families – these are families with income of $78,000 and $110,000. About 99% in this income range will be paying higher taxes.”

Your report explains that Canadian families could be paying even more. Can you explain?

“In our report, we’ve only calculated two of the major tax changes that have been announced so far. But then there’s others that we do not account for in these numbers. So, for example, you raise the carbon tax. This is a federally mandated tax that will be increasing over the course of the coming years. The potential for an even higher tax bill for families is greater than what we’ve outlined here. There’s also the scaling back of the contribution room of the Tax Free Savings Account, there are also new taxes they’re implementing on small businesses.”

How can Canadian families prepare for this up-shift in taxes beginning Jan. 2019?

“I don’t know if they can. A tax is a forced contribution to the government. I think the takeaway is we have a government that is repeating a claim to Canadians and I think it’s important for Canadians to be aware of what the claim is. And the reality is contrary to what the government is saying.”

BY THE NUMBERS

92.2% – The percentage of Canadian families with kids that will pay higher taxes as a result of federal income tax changes and the Canada Pension Plan payroll tax hike

$2,218 – What Canadian families with kids—regardless of income—will pay, on average, in higher taxes

$1,624 – What the CPP tax increase alone will cost

2025 – The year the CPP payroll tax hike will be fully implemented


http://ottawasun.com/news/nati.....itute/wcm/
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2018 12:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is every reason to rub their noses in this ... how many questions has Justin-the-Lesser stonewalled with boilerplate about how it's going to make possible tax cuts for the middle class?

How many times? How about in the Moreau case alone, where the two of them, accomplished as they are in the black art of loopholes and deception, repeatedly claimed that by treating small business taxation as a form of tax evasion, they would be able to so much more for the 'middle class'. (Middle class is 'code' for the working class.)

The truth is he gave women a payoff. And he's clawing it back because ... you know ... we need money for treating returning ISIS killers "fairly". And Omar, let's not forget Omar.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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And Omar, let's not forget Omar.

The good folks at McMaster agree with you !

They gave the PM a standing ovation for doing the right thing.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bugs wrote:
There is every reason to rub their noses in this ... how many questions has Justin-the-Lesser stonewalled with boilerplate about how it's going to make possible tax cuts for the middle class?

How many times? How about in the Moreau case alone, where the two of them, accomplished as they are in the black art of loopholes and deception, repeatedly claimed that by treating small business taxation as a form of tax evasion, they would be able to so much more for the 'middle class'. (Middle class is 'code' for the working class.)

The truth is he gave women a payoff. And he's clawing it back because ... you know ... we need money for treating returning ISIS killers "fairly". And Omar, let's not forget Omar.



I think this is something the conservatives need to look into further , trudeau has made a lot of claims that he is helping the middle class and even cutting taxes for the middle class .

but this study would seem to indicate its all smoke and mirrors , they might have in fact lowered one tax rate but have found other taxes to raise , and once its all worked out , the average person is actually paying more

they need to figure out the exact numbers here and what went down and what went up , if Canadians are really paying more , its something they need to campaign on heavily in 2019

trudeau shouldn't be allowed to travel across the country making claims he is helping the middle class if in fact its the opposite
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RCO, you can't stop Trudeau from being a phoney. That's his schtick -- he was an actor, albeit a mediocre one. These town meeting are highly contrived. They had a group called the Council of Canadians there, promoting 'the good work' that the Liberals are doing ... without getting specific ... (now that you mention it ... what is that 'good work'?)

They give people attending these "town halls" a list of suggested questions that Justin has memorized answers to ...

In Hamilton, a woman asked him about Omar, and he stuttered and started listing his favourite platitudes, but the trained seals all clapped on cue. TC, our trained seal, may have been one of them.

But here's the point -- we need a guy like O'Leary to put the needle in about taxes, and to keep that in public notice, however he does it. Andrew can't do that, it seems.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bugs wrote:
These town meeting are highly contrived. They had a group called the Council of Canadians there, promoting 'the good work' that the Liberals are doing ... without getting specific ... (now that you mention it ... what is that 'good work'?)

Do you have links for this ? I would really like to know this as it would be a deak changer in some sense.
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They give people attending these "town halls" a list of suggested questions that Justin has memorized answers to ...

This too please.
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In Hamilton, a woman asked him about Omar, and he stuttered and started listing his favourite platitudes, but the trained seals all clapped on cue.


Heckler. Ya know, for accuracy.

Great answer huh ? He was spot on.

Of course some people dont like doing the right legal thing, but hey, its what we have to do.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 10:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trudeau the Lesser is on a six city Reputation Reclamation Tour.

He got hammered in Sackville, the first tour stop, when a women dressed in a Canadian flag asked him how it felt to be the first Canadian PM to be found guilty of a crime.
He stuttered an answer, but he couldn't find a way to blame the previous government.

It might not have been a crime -- it isn't a crime when the PM does it -- but it was the lead paragraph of the journalistic write-ups of the event.

In Hamilton, something similar happened at the second stop when a woman asked him if Justin felt like Omar had his finger up his ass over the $10 million.

He might not have had his finger wherever, but it isn't stupidly humiliating when the PM does it.

That too was the headline in the ensuing coverage.

Tour organizers are thinking of cancelling the rest of the tour. They had tried to seed the crowd with appropriate questions such as: "DO subsidize true renewable energy, efficient energy retrofits, and transition to a clean energy economy ..." (One actual suggestion of about ten.) But the prepared answers don't get the headlines.

In other news, Omar announced that he was voting Liberal.
https://www.pressreader.com/canada/toronto-sun/20180111/281487866748417
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 11:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I didnt think you would have any. So not really disappointed.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 11:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The outbursts were an exception in what was mostly a lovefest that allowed Trudeau to talk at length


In response to a question about "being found guilty of a crime" (ya know he wasn't but lets not let facts come into play)..he re4sponded
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Trudeau showed off his skills in these situations but joked, ”As you can see, we thoroughly vetted the questions before showing up tonight.”

So much for planted questions huh?

And on Omar in Hamilton
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Trudeau received a standing ovation after describing it as a lesson about not allowing a Canadian, “no matter how unpopular they may be, to be tortured.”
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 12:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A "love fest" -- do you believe that? Or a room as full of supporters as they can muster?

How do you source items from Facebook? I am not going to put my page up there, sorry, but there was a photograph of the hand-outs. I quoted one of the prompts. There were others about all the good things Justin is doing for "indigenous women" ... (I guess if you say 'indigenous' it isn't a racial reference.)

The point of the exercise isn't the Town Halls. The point is the headlines. And the prospects are only going to get worse as the other side musters its supporters.

Unless Andrew tries to put a stop to it.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 1:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Trudeau's London, Ont., town hall interrupted by hecklers
PM says he put electoral reform aside when he saw it was going in direction that would hurt country
By Kathleen Harris, Peter Zimonjic, CBC News Posted: Jan 11, 2018 4:11 PM ET Last Updated: Jan 12, 2018 7:16 AM ET

Justin Trudeau's third town hall of his cross-country tour saw repeated interruptions from two persistent hecklers who interrupted questioners and attempted to shout down the prime minister before one of them had to be forcibly removed by police.

The first came when Trudeau was trying to answer a question from a young boy who asked how he deals with his "haters."

"I don't really have to worry too much about being defined by what someone thinks of me," Trudeau said, noting that, as a child, people would tell him that they did not like him because their parents didn't like his father.

A woman then stood up in the crowd and started shouting about free speech, the security threat posed by Canadians who left to join ISIS and are now beginning to return home, and the decision to locate the town hall at a university.

She was also upset about M-103, the motion passed in the House of Commons that called on federal politicians to condemn Islamophobia.

Trudeau and the hecklers1:44

Shortly afterward, another questioner was interrupted by a man shouting at Trudeau, without the benefit of a microphone. The RCMP surrounded the man and he eventually sat down.

Not long afterwards the man stood up and threw a stack of papers from the raised seating area where he was positioned before continuing to shout at and over Trudeau as he tried to calm the heckler down.

The prime minister offered him the chance to remain in the auditorium if he remained seated and quiet, but he refused and was escorted out by security after shouting about corruption and wrongdoings of the Supreme Court.

As the man left, Trudeau explained that he was disturbing the event. The man hollered "You're disturbing me!"
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politic.....-1.4483274


Great headlnes!
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 2:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bugs wrote:
A "love fest" -- do you believe that?

Judging by the number of times I have heard that I guess I do. Why not?
[quote Or a room as full of supporters as they can muster? [q/uote]
Naw, they had school kids, high schools etc in there. I doubt that the room was papered.

I havent of course seen any indications anywhere that would go along with your assertion that there were 'planted' questions.
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How do you source items from Facebook? I am not going to put my page up there, sorry,

I certainly would not expect that from anyone. But there has to be a source for that photo. If not then it isnt relevant nor factual.
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The point of the exercise isn't the Town Halls. The point is the headlines. And the prospects are only going to get worse as the other side musters its supporters.

Oh is that the point.

Well then , good job as the headlines have been pretty darn complimentary. Ya know, love fest and so on.
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Unless Andrew tries to put a stop to it.
Yes well, we shall see.
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'Trudeau's London, Ont., town hall interrupted by hecklers'

Great headlnes!

Thats a headline about boorishness on the hecklers, did you think anything different?
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 2:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyway, the thread is about the reaction people are likely to have when they learn that the empty shirt's promised middle-class tax cuts are up in smoke ... revealing to us that it was all a callow lie from the start!
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 2:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bugs wrote:
Anyway, the thread is about the reaction people are likely to have when they learn that the empty shirt's promised middle-class tax cuts are up in smoke ... revealing to us that it was all a callow lie from the start!


Annnd....the goalposts are moved once again.

Jello nailed to a wall.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 2:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bugs wrote:
Anyway, the thread is about the reaction people are likely to have when they learn that the empty shirt's promised middle-class tax cuts are up in smoke ... revealing to us that it was all a callow lie from the start!



trudeau is promising people "middle class " tax cuts but this study would seem to indicate its only half true , he might be cutting one tax but is raising others , so the average person might not gain anything

typical liberal smoke and mirrors , the whole idea was likely created by someone formerly from Dalton Mcguinty's office , this sounds like something he'd do
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