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PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 11:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

( more Ontario jobs continue to flee the province , this time Bacardi Canada , your rum will soon be made in Florida instead once production is halted in Brampton Ontario, and this is after the company got a large grant from the wynne government , is it too late to ask for the $ money back ? )


Feb 17, 2017 | Vote 0 0

Bacardi Canada to close and sell Brampton facility, eliminating 51 jobs

Most of plant's production going to Florida



Jeff Leal, Ontario's Minister of Agriculture, Food and Rural Affairs (left), and Paul Tepperman, vice president and managing director with Bacardi Canada, at a funding announcement last May where $350,000 was pledged to the company to support operations at its Brampton facility through the federal/provincial program Growing Forward 2. Less than a year later, the company announced it will be shutting down the plant in the coming months.



Brampton Guardian
By Chris Clay


Bacardi Canada will be shutting down and selling its Brampton bottling plant in the coming months, which will end an almost five-decade presence in the city.

In a statement to The Guardian, the company said it told its employees on Feb. 9 that they made the "difficult decision" to discontinue operations at the facility on Steeles Avenue East after a review of production and market needs.

A total of 51 employees will lose their jobs when the plant closes and the company says it's providing support to them through severance packages, counselling and access to a specialized consultant to help them find new employment. No final date has been set for the closure.

Of the workers, 47 had positions in blending, processing and bottling and four kitchen employees are also affected.


"Bacardi carefully considered all other options before making this decision, which was necessary due to the changing business environment over many years in Canada and the importance of increasing efficiency to ensure the company's future competitiveness," said the statement.

The company plans to sell the Brampton site and will move to a new office location in the Toronto area. They said the closure won't affect Bacardi supply in Canada.

Two-thirds of Brampton's production will be transferred to the company's facility in Jacksonville, Florida. The rest, which represents products exclusive to Canada, will go to a Canadian co-packer.

Meanwhile, the announcement of the closure comes less than a year after Bacardi Canada was awarded a government grant worth hundreds of thousands of dollars to support the plant's operations. Last May, Jeff Leal – Ontario's Minister of Agriculture, Food and Rural Affairs – announced that $350,000 was earmarked for the company through the federal/provincial program Growing Forward 2.

"Having Bacardi Canada's bottling operation anchored in our province sends a clear signal to domestic and foreign markets that Ontario is a prime location where food and beverage processing companies can invest, expand and be successful," Leal said at the time.

Bacardi was expected to use the money to upgrade equipment and produce packaging made from recycled materials.

The Brampton facility produces more than seven million litres of rum for the Canadian market each year. Bacardi Canada has been based in Brampton since 1969.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 11:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

( original article from the 2016 funding announcement , is it too late to ask for the money back ? maybe they used to $350,000 to study on how to move production to florida instead ? )


Bacardi’s Brampton, Ont. plant secures $350K investment from feds, province

Rum maker will use funds to upgrade packaging line at Toronto-area plant


May 9, 2016
by Canadian Manufacturing.com Staff



Food & Beverage



BRAMPTON, Ont.—The Canadian and Ontario governments are investing $350,000 in Bacardi Canada Inc.’s Brampton, Ont. facility.

Made available through the federal and provincial governments’ joint food industry investment fund, the money will help the rum maker upgrade its facility’s equipment, as well as design new packaging and labels for its spirits.

“Having Bacardi Canada’s bottling operation anchored in our province sends a clear signal to domestic and foreign markets that Ontario is a prime location where food and beverage processing companies can invest, expand and be successful,” Jeff Leal, Ontario’s minister of Agriculture, Food and Rural Affairs, said.

Bottling more than seven million litres of rum each year, the Brampton plant ships the liquor to markets across Canada.

Jan Westcott, president and CEO of Spirits Canada—a national trade association representing the Canadian distilling industry—said the investment will ensure the plant remains globally competitive and sets Bacardi up for further growth.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2017 8:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Excluded from Ontario’s hydro cuts, firms say they can’t compete


Shawn McCarthy and Greg Keenan


The Globe and Mail (includes correction)


Published Thursday, Mar. 02, 2017 9:35AM EST



Ontario Premier Kathleen Wynne unveiled a new hydro plan Thursday that targets lower residential rates but provides only modest relief to industrial customers who say soaring electricity costs are driving business out of the province.

Through legislation it intends to pass before summer, the provincial Liberal government will cut residential rates by 25 per cent, including a previously announced 8-per-cent reduction. The plan also promises deep price cuts to rural and remote customers who faced dramatic increases over the past decade, and will boost subsidies for low-income households.


Business customers will not benefit from reduced rates but will instead see an expanded rebate program for those that can shift their consumption to off-peak hours. Companies in Northern Ontario and rural areas will also benefit from a reduction in delivery charges that have driven up bills in less-populated regions.


Faced with a political backlash over soaring power bills, Ms. Wynne said the plan would deliver the largest reduction in electricity costs in the province’s history.

To pay for the near-term relief, the province will add $25-billion in interest costs over 30 years as a result of stretching out financing for existing generation projects. It will also shift $2.5-billion over three years in costs from ratepayers to the general provincial account.

“Electricity rates in Ontario will come down significantly, they’re going to stay down and everyone will benefit,” Ms. Wynne said in a news conference.

The Premier faces an election in spring 2018, and rising electricity bills have been cited as a major factor in her slumping support in opinion polls. With Thursday’s plan, opposition critics complained the Liberal government is taking on significant debt that will be left for future taxpayers and ratepayers to cover.

“They’re making our kids and grandkids pay for the mistakes they’ve made on the energy file over the last eight years,” Conservative MPP Todd Smith said. “There’s a massive price to what they’re doing and they’re not addressing the root cause as to why electricity prices are as high as they are.”

In an interview, Ms. Wynne compared the effort to extending the amortization period of a mortgage to bring down monthly payments. Though critics note the assets in this case – electric generating stations – belong to the developers not the province.

“The accusation that we’re spreading this over more than one generation is absolutely true,” Ms. Wynne said in a telephone interview. “That’s the point of what we’re doing – we’re asking a future generation to help pay for an asset that they’re actually going to use.”

Not every customer will benefit from the 25-per-cent rate reduction. Industrial users say there is little in the strategy to deal with higher rates that make it difficult for them to compete with firms in neighbouring states.

Byron Nelson, president of Leland Industries Inc., a Toronto-based manufacturer of bolts, screws and other fasteners, said his company is scouting for a location to open a new factory, but will build the manufacturing facility in Illinois, Ohio or some other Midwest state. Ontario’s high hydro rates are driving that decision, Mr. Nelson said.

“We will invest no longer in Ontario,” he said Thursday, about a year after completing an expansion of Leland’s Toronto manufacturing operations. Electricity costs in the U.S. states Mr. Nelson is considering are about half those in Ontario, he said, and are even lower in Manitoba, Quebec and Saskatchewan.

“We’ve got to be competitive,” he said. “Our provincial government doesn’t understand that word.”

Large manufacturers, such as the Canadian units of the Detroit Three auto makers, are also worried about the competitive position of their operations in Ontario.

The announcement of lower rates for residential consumers represents a lost opportunity to reduce hydro charges for FCA Canada Inc. (Chrysler), Ford Motor Co. of Canada Ltd. and General Motors of Canada Co., said Mark Nantais, president of the Canadian Vehicle Manufacturers’ Association, a trade association and lobby group for the three auto makers.

“From what we can tell, there’s nothing there that would reduce our costs and help us improve our competitiveness,” Mr. Nantais said.

Although the Canadian operations won substantial commitments in the latest round of union agreements, the industry worries it will have trouble attracting future investments, particularly as U.S. President Donald Trump plans to cut corporate income-tax rates and, potentially, throw up protectionist barriers.

Mr. Nantais said car companies are too tightly tied to production schedules to take advantage of the program offered by the province that provides rebates for companies that can shift power consumption to off-peak hours. The Liberal government expanded that industrial conservation initiative to include more small businesses.

“I think this is going to make us more competitive because we are capturing those businesses [in the conservation program], and I think it puts us in a good position,” the Premier said. She added the electricity costs are not top of mind for most businesses that are investing or expanding in Ontario, but rather they look for a highly skilled work force.

Editor's Note: A previous version of this story underestimated the interest cost at $14-billion; in fact, the interest over the long-term would be $25-billion.

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( news of more Ontario businesses looking to get outta here )


Ontario manufacturers eye greener pastures stateside as hydro rates go through the roof


Peter Kuitenbrouwer | March 16, 2017 4:12 PM ET
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Ontario manufacturers being lured south of the border by Trump policies


Jocelyn Bamford, a white hard hat perched over red hair that curls down around her shoulders, has her hands on her hips. Behind safety glasses, her eyes flash. On the shop floor in the bustling Automatic Coating Inc. plant owned by her family, she has to shout to be heard above the squirt of compressed air nozzles, honks from forklifts, the clang of steel as it’s dipped in baths, and the hum of exhaust fans.


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Bamford might be shouting regardless of the noise since the hydro bill for her Toronto-based company has her mad as hell. Once boasting one of the continent’s lowest electricity rates, Ontario today has some of the highest and that has many industrial companies planning to move at least some operations to the United States.

“The government treats us like bourgeois sweatshop operators who have to be stopped,” said Bamford, who has organized dozens of medium-sized companies into the Coalition of Concerned Manufacturers of Ontario. “All the businesses are terrified of the government. My husband said, ‘Well, do you just want to pick up and go?’ And I said, ‘Well, I guess I gotta just stay and fight.’ I feel like I’m the Norma Rae of manufacturing.”

Automatic Coating’s electricity bill has more than doubled in the past decade. Its bill for last November was $49,209.68. The first line is for electricity: $6,577.93. The second line is much harder to explain: it is the euphemistic Global Adjustment charge: 217,165 kWh at 11.6 cents each for a total of $25,223.73.

The Global Adjustment contains many different costs, including Ontario’s payments to solar and wind energy makers at far more than the market rate, the cost to sell excess power to U.S. states at a loss, and even the cost of replacing light bulbs with LED bulbs.


The government treats us like bourgeois sweatshop operators who have to be stopped
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Stan Behal/Toronto Sun/Postmedia Network

Stan Behal/Toronto Sun/Postmedia NetworkJocelyn and Brad Bamford of Automatic Coating Inc. in Toronto. Jocelyn is organizing companies to fight back after their company’s electricity bill more than doubled in the past decade. .

For manufacturers, the Global Adjustment fee symbolizes all the excesses of Ontario energy policy, including headline-grabbing salaries at state-owned utilities and the wages for the armies of bureaucrats who manage what plant owners describe as the province’s Byzantine array of energy cost-abatement programs.

“They have an open invitation to take whatever they want,” said Jerrod Rowntree, manager of a unionized, Korean-owned plant in Simcoe, Ont., that employs 110 people to make magnet wire for Tesla Inc., the Chevy Volt and transformers. “What’s their rhyme or reason to put their hand in our pocket whenever they want?”

Case in point, Ontario on Jan. 1 brought in cap and trade, a measure the province said “is designed to help fight climate change, and reward businesses that reduce their greenhouse gas emissions.” The program further hikes energy costs for businesses that burn natural gas or fuel their cars and trucks with gas or diesel.

The costs and rules mean a move out of Ontario can sound mighty tempting and U.S. states have come knocking.

Automatic Coating has an offer to move to Mississippi. Plasticap Inc. of Richmond Hill, Ont., more than 50 years old and a maker of plastic lids using injection moulding, plans to expand in Ohio or Virginia rather than Ontario. Surati Sweet Mart Ltd., a busy Indian baked goods manufacturer in Toronto, has visited New Jersey, Georgia and Texas.


City of Toronto statistics show the city has lost 20 per cent of its manufacturing jobs in the past decade
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Tyler Anderson / National Post

Tyler Anderson / National PostBrad Duguid, Ontario’s minister of economic development and growth, doesn’t fear a manufacturer exodus..

There are many others, but Brad Duguid, Ontario’s minister of economic development and growth, doesn’t fear a manufacturer exodus.

“For every business that’s leaving, there are probably three or four that are coming,” said Duguid, sitting in his spacious office on Bay Street, decorated with big paintings and photographs of his hero, former U.S. President John F. Kennedy. “We’re leading the G7 in growth right now in Ontario.”

Duguid’s office later sends data that boast of the jobs Ontario has recently created in information and computer technology, fintech, life sciences and cleantech. The note does not mention manufacturing, though Ontario historically is Canada’s manufacturing heartland.

Harold Bamford, Jocelyn’s father-in-law, started Automatic Coating in Toronto in the 1950s, where he powder-coated the armatures of washing machines. His son Brad eventually took over, expanded the company, patented several coating techniques and married Jocelyn.


Tyler Anderson / National Post

Tyler Anderson / National PostFifty-five employees work at Automatic Coating Limited factory in Scarborough, Ont. .

Today, the family employs 55 people on two shifts, from 7 a.m. to 3 p.m., and 3 p.m. to midnight, and 20 people in the field. The company paints everything from fences to pipelines to ship parts.

One of the company’s biggest clients is the U.S. Navy. One current job is painting 48 louvres — car-sized, 700-kilogram intake vents for gas turbine engines — that were pried off the USS Gridley, currently in dry dock in San Diego, and hauled by truck to Automatic Coating.

At the plant, production manager Donna White bends over a louvre. She has worked here since 1978, put her kids through school on her wages and now has grandchildren. She guides staff in white overalls, dust masks and blue Nitrile gloves to apply a powder coating to protect the louvres from salt and extend their life by 10 years.

“If anything did happen to Automatic Coating, I don’t know what I would do,” she said. “I have a lot of employees under me who have younger families. A lot of big companies are closing down.”

Hydro rate hikes and cap and trade make the idea of relocating this business — at least for the navy contract — very attractive. Mississippi’s hydro rates are about one-third those of Ontario.

“The U.S. Navy has been after us for years to move our plant down to the States,” Bamford says. “It’s like you’re with the bad boyfriend, and you say, ‘There’s a guy down the street and he’s bringing me candy and flowers,’ and your boyfriend has been drinking all the time.”

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Bamford wants to stay in Ontario. She sits on her local hospital foundation board, her three kids, aged 14, 12 and 10, all play hockey and husband Brad coaches two of the three. Even so, the U.S. looks pretty good.

“We could sell our house and buy a 4,000-square-foot house in Long Beach, Mississippi, with a gourmet kitchen for $350,000,” she said. “And 20 minutes down the road at Gulf Shores, there is an amateur hockey association.”

If Automatic Coating does move its louvre division to the U.S., it will retain the jobs in Toronto, but any future growth will be stateside, Bamford said.

Other businesses are making similar calculations. City of Toronto statistics show the city has lost 20 per cent of its manufacturing jobs in the past decade.


Peter J. Thompson/National Post

Peter J. Thompson/National PostPlasticap owner Peter Gossman holds his companies hydro bill at his Richmand Hill plant. The company is considering opening another location south of the border in part due to high hydro rates..

North of the city, three steel silos loom on an outside wall of Plasticap’s factory, which opened in 1963. The silos contain millions of plastic pellets known as raw resin.

Pipes in the factory ceiling blow pellets to injection moulding machines. The newest of these machines is a Japan Steel Works 1400H, a fast-moving collection of hydraulics, motors, pipes and conveyors.

“Whirr! Puff!” sings the machine, and it injects molten white plastic into 24 cavities. Every 14.3 seconds, 24 warm caps for fabric softener bottles fall, each with a little “pop!” onto a conveyor belt.

“Our volumes have increased so we have to run 24/7,” said plant manager Daniel Palka, 29, whom Plasticap hired in 2010 straight out of mechanical engineering school at the University of Toronto. “We get calls in the middle of the night.”

Business may be booming, but Plasticap has a problem: it cannot afford Ontario hydro.


Peter Gossmann and Tom Lato, Plasticap’s co-owners, in February drove to Virginia and Ohio, seeking a spot to expand. The pair left icy Ontario and arrived in southwest Virginia at night. Lato recalls, “I said to Peter, ‘I think the grass is green down here.’” In the morning they looked out their hotel windows and, sure enough, the grass was green.

“Absolutely, we are going,” said Gossmann, though he adds that Plasticap will retain existing Ontario operations. “In Virginia, they are really quite well-equipped for our industry. And 70 per cent of what we make goes to the United States already.”

Duguid, Ontario’s economic development minister, acknowledges that manufacturers struggle to pay their hydro bills. But he said Ontario offers plenty of other positives to attract and retain business.

“We have the lowest effective tax rate in North America, we provide the best talent anywhere in North America in terms of workers, we have a health-care system that’s second to none on the continent, and we have a quality of life that is superior to anywhere else on the continent as well,” he said.

Duguid also cautions business against moving to states such as Virginia, which burn coal for power. “Ultimately, the global economy is going low-carbon,” he said. “There will come a time when your business will pay a price if you use dirty energy.”


Ernest Doroszuk/Toronto Sun/Postmedia Network

Ernest Doroszuk/Toronto Sun/Postmedia NetworkKathleen Wynne, Ontario’s Liberal premier, enraged manufacturers when she said Ontarians were ‘very bad actors’ in creation of emissions. .

Ontario wants to help manufacturers, he adds. Recent policy changes mean Automatic Coating and Plasticap now qualify for Ontario’s Industrial Conservation Initiative (ICL).

Duguid said ICI “is not an easy program to explain,” which is why the province pays the Ontario Chamber of Commerce to do it. Even with that help, Tim Clutterbuck, who runs U.S.-owned ASW Steel Inc. in Welland, Ont., says ICI is “very complicated.”

ASW now operates nights, 7 p.m. to 7 a.m., to avoid high-cost power, but under ICI, he said, his factory also has to completely shut down when Ontario hits peak hydro use.

“The best way to avoid high Global Adjustment charges is to avoid the five highest hours of electricity consumption,” Clutterbuck said. “But they don’t tell you that until six weeks after the fact. It cost me 50 hours of production to make sure I don’t hit them.”

Government officials have suggested that companies could, alternatively, buy natural-gas-powered generators to switch on during consumption peaks.

Rowntree, the wire-maker in Simcoe, calls that suggestion ridiculous. “This initiative is encouraging manufacturers to burn fossil fuels,” he said. “From a moral standpoint, I won’t burn fossil fuels.”


I feel like I’m the Norma Rae of manufacturing
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Last October, Kathleen Wynne, Ontario’s Liberal premier, told the Niagara Chamber of Commerce that Ontarians are “very bad actors in terms of our per-capital creation of emissions” in explaining her push for a cap-and-trade system.

The comment enraged Bamford. Her plant switched its curing ovens to electricity from natural gas to reduce emissions, “but now electricity is so outrageous that we are wondering whether it was the right thing to do,” she said.

“When the premier said, ‘You’re all bad actors,’ I threw the gloves down. I was ready to go. We have to now band together and stand up for our rights. It’s time for us to get the attention we deserve.”

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Michigan, New York, Ohio, Kentucky, Georgia, Missouri and Alabama have basically done to Ontario what Ontario did to the rust belt in the mid-90s

They are offering strong incentives to lure business South;
Given the raw amount of exports Ontario ships to the US anyway being down there isn't really that much of a determent to business.

Ontario miscalculated when it came to its long term planning as it pertains to Electricity, but also in terms of what point business would simply leave;

The Electricity Cost is one thing;
But tossing on the PST to fuel, electricity, natural gas as part of the HST made everything more expensive

Then you layer on carbon pricing onto gasoline.

There is a huge disconnect in the OLP thing regarding business;

Ontario needs business a lot more than business needs Ontario.

The Government has been quick to vilify business when they leave;
But hasn't done anything to address the cause of why business is leaving.
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Just to add to Cosmo's comments, the cost of a 1000kWh in Ontario is $239.23, whereas it is $86.92 in Quebec and $81.38 in Manitoba.

The CEO of Manitoba Power is paid $485,000, the CEO of Quebec Hydro is paid $480,000 but the CEO of Hydro One is paid $4,000,000!

[https://www.facebook.com/TakeBackYourPowerHydroBillsUnplugged/]

Native people are no longer be charged delivery charges, which is as much as the power itself.

It stinks of incompetence, corruption, and political pandering. Wait until the revenues from the carbon tax start rolling in!
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Bugs wrote:
Just to add to Cosmo's comments, the cost of a 1000kWh in Ontario is $239.23, whereas it is $86.92 in Quebec and $81.38 in Manitoba.

The CEO of Manitoba Power is paid $485,000, the CEO of Quebec Hydro is paid $480,000 but the CEO of Hydro One is paid $4,000,000!

[https://www.facebook.com/TakeBackYourPowerHydroBillsUnplugged/]

Native people are no longer be charged delivery charges, which is as much as the power itself.

It stinks of incompetence, corruption, and political pandering. Wait until the revenues from the carbon tax start rolling in!



I don't really understand where this native discount came from ? it had never really been discussed much the effect of high hydro prices on first nations and all of a sudden they get this huge discount .

on of the larger first nations near me " Rama " isn't really struggling at all , they have the casino and doing well at the moment . although perhaps some of the smaller more remote ones its more of an issue
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cosmostein wrote:
Michigan, New York, Ohio, Kentucky, Georgia, Missouri and Alabama have basically done to Ontario what Ontario did to the rust belt in the mid-90s

They are offering strong incentives to lure business South;
Given the raw amount of exports Ontario ships to the US anyway being down there isn't really that much of a determent to business.

Ontario miscalculated when it came to its long term planning as it pertains to Electricity, but also in terms of what point business would simply leave;

The Electricity Cost is one thing;
But tossing on the PST to fuel, electricity, natural gas as part of the HST made everything more expensive

Then you layer on carbon pricing onto gasoline.

There is a huge disconnect in the OLP thing regarding business;

Ontario needs business a lot more than business needs Ontario.

The Government has been quick to vilify business when they leave;
But hasn't done anything to address the cause of why business is leaving.



Ontario does need these businesses a lot more then they need to be in Ontario . I could definitely name a few smaller cities around this area that desperately need a couple new larger employers that would say have 100 or so employees.

those large operations and high paying jobs help create a stable and vibrant local economy but with hydro prices so high a large company would be crazy to open up a new plant in Ontario at the moment

and considering the incentives being offered by states south of the border its going to be some time before Ontario is truly competitive again , were falling behind and its much easier to lose an employer than it is to find new ones
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Bugs wrote:
Just to add to Cosmo's comments, the cost of a 1000kWh in Ontario is $239.23, whereas it is $86.92 in Quebec and $81.38 in Manitoba.


The problem you have with the above is its an issue that will take a decade to fix,
The band-aid is to have government take a massive hit (as they are doing now) to bring to electricity costs.

However to fix this you need focused planning.

The OLP has slowly backed off all their wide eyed idealistic and unrealistic "commitments" to Ontario Energy;

Granted, this happened nearly a decade after it was originally tendered;
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/.....-1.3395696

This happened a decade later then it was suppose to;
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/.....-1.3348633

Its really just a matter of time till the commitment to add 6x Reactors to Darlington Moves forward which was originally in the cards for 2011.

The issue is when.
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cosmostein wrote:
Bugs wrote:
Just to add to Cosmo's comments, the cost of a 1000kWh in Ontario is $239.23, whereas it is $86.92 in Quebec and $81.38 in Manitoba.


The problem you have with the above is its an issue that will take a decade to fix,
The band-aid is to have government take a massive hit (as they are doing now) to bring to electricity costs.

However to fix this you need focused planning.

The OLP has slowly backed off all their wide eyed idealistic and unrealistic "commitments" to Ontario Energy;

Granted, this happened nearly a decade after it was originally tendered;
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/.....-1.3395696

This happened a decade later then it was suppose to;
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/.....-1.3348633

Its really just a matter of time till the commitment to add 6x Reactors to Darlington Moves forward which was originally in the cards for 2011.

The issue is when.


To make this secure, you absolutely need the agreement/cooperation of the official opposition party. If long-term planning is to work, it has to be put outside the arena of political influence.

And adding to the nuclear generation of power takes some political guts, sadly. The mainstream is afraid of accidents.
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Bugs wrote:
cosmostein wrote:
Bugs wrote:
Just to add to Cosmo's comments, the cost of a 1000kWh in Ontario is $239.23, whereas it is $86.92 in Quebec and $81.38 in Manitoba.


The problem you have with the above is its an issue that will take a decade to fix,
The band-aid is to have government take a massive hit (as they are doing now) to bring to electricity costs.

However to fix this you need focused planning.

The OLP has slowly backed off all their wide eyed idealistic and unrealistic "commitments" to Ontario Energy;

Granted, this happened nearly a decade after it was originally tendered;
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/.....-1.3395696

This happened a decade later then it was suppose to;
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/.....-1.3348633

Its really just a matter of time till the commitment to add 6x Reactors to Darlington Moves forward which was originally in the cards for 2011.

The issue is when.


To make this secure, you absolutely need the agreement/cooperation of the official opposition party. If long-term planning is to work, it has to be put outside the arena of political influence.

And adding to the nuclear generation of power takes some political guts, sadly. The mainstream is afraid of accidents.


Which is why my hope is the Liberals before the election move forward with the Darlington Expansion.

They get to take full credit for this thing when its done, while the PCs get to wear the cost overruns while its actually being built.

Its win win for the Liberals because they can take credit when needed and distance themselves from Premier Wynnes "choices" when needed.

It really is a matter of when;
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Sadly, Cosmo, I think you're cleverer than they are. The Liberals calculation will be something along the lines of ... Going into a tough election we'll likely lose, why add to our troubles by bringing nuclear power back?.

I doubt if they realize, even now, that their Green Energy plan has failed.
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