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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2017 9:12 am    Post subject: they may be legalising it but how should it be restricted ? Reply with quote

some personal opinion here , everyone has come to accept the coming reality that the liberals plan to bring forward legislation this spring in time for april's 420 celebrations that will legalise so called " recreational " use of marijuana , it is already legal in Canada for most " medical " uses

but its a mystery as to what that legislation will look like and what if any restrictions will they attempt to bring forward , an age limit of between 18-21 has already been mentioned and discussed in many articles and suggested my health associations . as well as concerns about a likely increase in drug impaired driving , but many other concerns or possible ways to control and restrict marijuana usage have not been discussed . and considering the fact "legal " products like alcohol and tobacco are heavily restricted in Canada I figured its time to open up the discussion a little more


idea # 1 "licensing system " for marijuana dispensaries , which would require a dispensary to obtain some sort of federal or provincial license in order to sell marijuana products , similar to how a bar or restaurant needs a "liquor license " . this license would have to be renewed on some sort of semi yearly basis in order to make sure the operator was following the rules

idea # 2 limit on the number of Licenses per city or geographical area , a limit could be used to control the number of marijuana dispensaries in a certain city ,as many have commented there is way too many in Toronto and they were popping up everywhere .
although I'm unsure if this is needed as naturally businesses tend to sort this out themselves and only the stronger stores are likely to survive long term anyways

idea # 3 to obtain a license to sell marijuana an operator/owner / staff would need to pass a criminal background check . ( not saying a simple marijuana possession or even trafficking would be grounds for rejection ) but rather more serious offenses like sexual assaults , weapons and more severe drug trafficking offences like cocaine/heroin , this would prevent criminals from entering the legal market but could force them to stay in the so called black market


idea # 4 determine allowable locations for marijuana businesses . should a dispensary be allowed to operate within close distance to a high school or college campus ? this is something that should be looked into further

idea # 5 should health warning labels and packaging display bans that currently are in place for tobacco products be in place for marijuana as well ?
should store window displays that feature marijuana products be allowed in public view ? should there be health warning labels that warn against " second hand smoke " and "excessive " consumption of marijuana as well is driving well under the influence ?


idea # 6 should further health studies into the long term effects and effects of marijuana on younger people be done by health Canada ? to determine the exact health and long term effects of marijuana usage ? as we don't seem to know exactly
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2017 9:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

( I had to look back at the recommendations made by the task force , some I mentioned were already in there such as packaging and marketing ,although there reports seems to mention little about who would be allowed to sell marijuana and my suggestion of a licensing system similar to a liquor license doesn't appear to have be mentioned )


Highlights from the federal marijuana task force report

Panel makes over 80 recommendations to advise Liberal government in its legalization push

CBC News Posted: Dec 13, 2016 12:12 PM ET| Last Updated: Dec 13, 2016 5:22 PM ET

The Canadian Medical Association recommended limiting marijuana consumption to individuals over 21, with strict limits on quantity and potency until age 25. But a report from the federal government task force Tuesday says higher age limits would drive young consumers to black market suppliers.

The task force Justin Trudeau's Liberal government appointed to study how marijuana could be legalized and regulated in Canada released its report Tuesday, offering over 80 recommendations.

Pot task force recommends legal cannabis sales be limited to users 18 and over


Here are some highlights from the report:

Sales and marketing
■Set the minimum age of purchase as 18, respecting the rights of provinces and territories to harmonize with sales of alcohol.
■Avoid selling alcohol and cannabis at the same location where possible: dedicated storefronts and direct mail are preferable.
■Limit the density and location of storefronts, including their proximity to schools and parks.
■Regulate retail sales at the provincial and territorial level.
■Restrict the promotion and advertising of cannabis products, similar to restrictions now in place for tobacco.
■Require plain packaging with company name, strain name, price, tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) and cannabidiol (CBD) amounts and health warnings.
■Prohibit any product deemed "appealing to children," including products that look like candy.

Taxation
■Establish pricing and taxation following an economic analysis.
■Tax higher potency THC products at a higher rate to discourage purchase.
■Use revenue from cannabis regulation for drug prevention, education and treatment.​



Public consumption and possession
■Extend restrictions on public smoking of tobacco products and vaping to cannabis.
■Allow and regulate dedicated places to consume cannabis products (lounges, for example.)
■Limit public possession to 30 grams of dried, non-medical cannabis or its equivalent, with a corresponding sales limit.

Production and distribution
■Implement a system of licensed producers to grow cannabis in Canada.
■Allow personal cultivation of up to four plants per residence, with a height limit of 100 cm.
■Maintain medical marijuana access separately, with the same tax system as non-medical use.
■Move swiftly to create capacity for producing and selling cannabis.

Public education and safety
■Begin public education strategy immediately.
■Determine how to establish limits to prevent an increase in cannabis-impaired driving.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politic.....-1.3894219
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2017 4:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Heres my take on it.
Idea #1- kind of, but if ( and we know Shoppers is going to) retailer want in they too will have to.
#2-your second point is the key. Give em all one and let them sort it out.
#3-Hard to agree w that, Pharmacists can be convcted and keep a licence.
#4-Dont care, but pharmacy's are near schools so.....?
#5-The fatc that they dont work is moot, I know the Goivt will want those on packages
#6-There have been enough to know this stuff is m,ildly harmful, but yes , study it

18 is fine with me. Cant see a reason to make it higher or lower. Kids will get a hold of it anyway.

Hope Trudeau gets this done sooner than later. And tho I have my doubts, lets hope the price comes down .!
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2017 4:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Toronto Centre wrote:
Heres my take on it.
Idea #1- kind of, but if ( and we know Shoppers is going to) retailer want in they too will have to.
#2-your second point is the key. Give em all one and let them sort it out.
#3-Hard to agree w that, Pharmacists can be convcted and keep a licence.
#4-Dont care, but pharmacy's are near schools so.....?
#5-The fatc that they dont work is moot, I know the Goivt will want those on packages
#6-There have been enough to know this stuff is m,ildly harmful, but yes , study it

18 is fine with me. Cant see a reason to make it higher or lower. Kids will get a hold of it anyway.

Hope Trudeau gets this done sooner than later. And tho I have my doubts, lets hope the price comes down .!



I was just trying to create some discussion on the issue , realise that I could do some more research into this industry and the Colorado experiment to gain insight

from what I had read shoppers drug mart is more interested in the medical marijuana market not so much the recreational and there pharmacies would already have certain licenses and regulatory requirements to dispense medicine


its true there is pharmacies near schools but you need a prescription to get most of the prescription drugs , its not like they sell it to anyone who walks in

why would you have an issue with there being criminal background checks done on the people who own the stores or work in the marijuana industry ? considering the fact they are selling a controlled substance , its doesn't seem unreasonable to me to run a background check , a lot of retail stores would do this for there employees and there not selling substances that are stolen as often as marijuana is , I would imagine the LCBO would check any new hires background


I remember from reading past articles that some of these so called " alternative culture " businesses intentionally locate near high schools , I remember reading an article years ago about a local one that sold marijuana smoking accessories and piercing jewellery , and they clearly mentioned they had located near the high school intentionally cause it was where a lot of there business came from
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2017 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RCO wrote:


I was just trying to create some discussion on the issue , realise that I could do some more research into this industry and the Colorado experiment to gain insight

No complaints from me. Im glad you did this much .
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from what I had read shoppers drug mart is more interested in the medical marijuana market not so much the recreational and there pharmacies would already have certain licenses and regulatory requirements to dispense medicine

Doesnt make sense to me.

If you sell, you sell. The bigger market is the general public, Shopppers wants to maximize profit so I doubt they would want MedMary jane business solely.

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its true there is pharmacies near schools but you need a prescription to get most of the prescription drugs , its not like they sell it to anyone who walks in

There are beer stores near schools, liquor stores too. I just dont get this "waa...too close to school' business. It is incumbent on the operators to do things legally and should they be caught , punish them. And what does moving one block away from a school do? Nothing, the kids would walk the extra block.
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why would you have an issue with there being criminal background checks done on the people who own the stores or work in the marijuana industry ? considering the fact they are selling a controlled substance , its doesn't seem unreasonable to me to run a background check , a lot of retail stores would do this for there employees and there not selling substances that are stolen as often as marijuana is , I would imagine the LCBO would check any new hires background

Because it is illegal to do so, except in certain industries. We are no the US.

Now there are ways to get around this , like asking if the employees is bondable., but that is rare.. And why worry to be honest? The worst offenders for shoplifting is always staff, criminal backgrounds or not. The beer store doesnt, the LCBO doesnt .
Put the onus on the owner to run a clean shop, and if he or she does not....well then they face consequences.
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I remember from reading past articles that some of these so called " alternative culture " businesses intentionally locate near high schools , I remember reading an article years ago about a local one that sold marijuana smoking accessories and piercing jewellery , and they clearly mentioned they had located near the high school intentionally cause it was where a lot of there business came from
Sure..thats where the money is. Theres a reason fast food joints all assemeble where the poor are. Profit!

I just dont see the worry to be honest.
Legalize, tax and stop the dumbass war on drugs.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2017 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

personally think that were dealing with a "unique " industry , were talking about something that was entirely "illegal " not that long ago , the pot smokers can't really expect to go from that to an entirely legal and open system without any significant restrictions being put in place

alcohol is " legal " in Ontario but its heavily controlled and regulated , to operate a bar/restaurant and sell liquor , the operator has to apply for a license and those licenses often come with many restrictions relating to capacity , noise and such . its not a free for all environment like at a college house party


so I don't think that if some reasonable restrictions were brought forward relating to marijuana it would be that unreasonable and would likely find a lot of support in the suburbs among the so called soccer mom crowd , they wouldn't find a lot of support downtown or on college campuses but they wouldn't really want any restrictions


from what I know in Ontario , criminal background checks are used in other areas , pretty sure to volunteer with many organizations here you need to get a police background check nowdays , at least that's what I remember especially if the volunteering involved children
I really don't see it being unreasonable to have a criminal background check done on someone if they want to open a store that sells marijuana in our community , think we have the right to at least know they aren't coming from a criminal background and have legitimate business intentions
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 1:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RCO wrote:
( I had to look back at the recommendations made by the task force , some I mentioned were already in there such as packaging and marketing ,although there reports seems to mention little about who would be allowed to sell marijuana and my suggestion of a licensing system similar to a liquor license doesn't appear to have be mentioned )


Highlights from the federal marijuana task force report

Panel makes over 80 recommendations to advise Liberal government in its legalization push

CBC News Posted: Dec 13, 2016 12:12 PM ET| Last Updated: Dec 13, 2016 5:22 PM ET

The Canadian Medical Association recommended limiting marijuana consumption to individuals over 21, with strict limits on quantity and potency until age 25. But a report from the federal government task force Tuesday says higher age limits would drive young consumers to black market suppliers.

The task force Justin Trudeau's Liberal government appointed to study how marijuana could be legalized and regulated in Canada released its report Tuesday, offering over 80 recommendations.

Pot task force recommends legal cannabis sales be limited to users 18 and over


Here are some highlights from the report:

Sales and marketing
■Set the minimum age of purchase as 18, respecting the rights of provinces and territories to harmonize with sales of alcohol.
■Avoid selling alcohol and cannabis at the same location where possible: dedicated storefronts and direct mail are preferable.
■Limit the density and location of storefronts, including their proximity to schools and parks.
■Regulate retail sales at the provincial and territorial level.
■Restrict the promotion and advertising of cannabis products, similar to restrictions now in place for tobacco.
■Require plain packaging with company name, strain name, price, tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) and cannabidiol (CBD) amounts and health warnings.
■Prohibit any product deemed "appealing to children," including products that look like candy.

Taxation
■Establish pricing and taxation following an economic analysis.
■Tax higher potency THC products at a higher rate to discourage purchase.
■Use revenue from cannabis regulation for drug prevention, education and treatment.​



Public consumption and possession
■Extend restrictions on public smoking of tobacco products and vaping to cannabis.
■Allow and regulate dedicated places to consume cannabis products (lounges, for example.)
■Limit public possession to 30 grams of dried, non-medical cannabis or its equivalent, with a corresponding sales limit.

Production and distribution
■Implement a system of licensed producers to grow cannabis in Canada.
■Allow personal cultivation of up to four plants per residence, with a height limit of 100 cm.
■Maintain medical marijuana access separately, with the same tax system as non-medical use.
■Move swiftly to create capacity for producing and selling cannabis.

Public education and safety
■Begin public education strategy immediately.
■Determine how to establish limits to prevent an increase in cannabis-impaired driving.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politic.....-1.3894219


This is the window-dressing, to make it look as if everything has aleady been considered, so you little people don't need to bother us with your opinions. What makes it a problem is that they aren't just 'legalizing' it, they are also cartelizing it, and taxing it. And it isn't the 'legalizing' that's the problem. It's the cartelizing that is the problem.

Talk about that, or as they say on TV, follow the money.
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