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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 11:33 am    Post subject: Battleground Quebec: Bloc attempts to repeal Clarity Act Reply with quote

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The NDP will oppose the Bloc Québécois bill to repeal the Clarity Act, the law that mandates a clear question and clear majority in any referendum in Quebec on secession.

Instead, New Democratic Party MP Craig Scott is tabling a private member's bill Monday that would amalgamate the Clarity Act and the NDP's own Sherbrooke Accord.

Debate began Monday on a private member's bill sponsored by the BQ that seems designed, in part, to embarrass the NDP, which wrested away most BQ seats in the last election.

Bill C-457, an Act to Repeal the Clarity Act, was introduced in October by Bloc MP André Bellavance. In support of the bill, Bloc Leader Daniel Paillé wrote a letter to all the party leaders except the Green's Elizabeth May, arguing that since they voted to recognize the Quebec people as a nation in 2006, they must realize that a nation has the right to decide its own destiny in its own way.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 11:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The battle for Quebec may ultimately be the primary reason Harper gets reelected to a second majority in 2015.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 2:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cosmostein wrote:
The battle for Quebec may ultimately be the primary reason Harper gets reelected to a second majority in 2015.


This strikes me as craziness.

It seems the PQ isn't that interested in running Quebec ... so they are trying to get a war going with Anglo-Canada. This week's target is the Clarity Act ...

And the NDP is suggesting they the Clarity Act be combined with some NDP ideas.

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... Thomas Mulcair and the NDP. By virtue of their official policy — the Sherbrooke Accord — the NDP is a party committedto opening the door — wide! — for Quebec to leave the Confederation, with no chocolatey mess.

The most alarming part of the Accord is where the NDP pledges not to use the means at the disposal of the Canadian government to uphold the rule of law and the constitution to keep Quebec within Confederation. [Emphasis added] So forget about partitioning any part of Quebec territory to remain within Canada (such as the predominantly English-speaking western half of Montreal extending to the Ontario border), a corridor to join Ontario to the Maritimes, or imposing any federal authority on one inch of Quebec territory, most of which was given to Quebec by Canada since Confederation.

Sure, there will be negotiations on crucial matters such as debt and free trade, but it will be a discussion between two sovereign nations, not one between a part seeking to secede from the whole. You see, Quebec will have already unilaterally declared independence and left Canada.
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/t.....77455.html


The threat that Quebec would be partitioned is one of the threats that has limited the appeal of separatists. The Ottawa Valley, and the whole south shore of the St Lawrence were not part of Quebec in 1756. (The south shore was ceded to the English at the Treaty of Utrecht

Mulcair played a big part in getting the Sherbrooke Accord made into official NDP policy. This was set up anticipating that the PQ would win the Quebec election.

The Canadian media, it seems, didn't bother to report the NDP's collaboration with the separatists to English-speaking Canada. I used Google, and didn't get even one response to the search term "Sherbrooke Accord, Quebec". I'm telling you, the Canadian media really have some explaining to do.

Who was the accord with? What is the legal standing of this document? Does anyone know? At the end, I am confronted with the craziness of Mulcair. Is there a compelling reason for Mulcair to take this step? Is there some danger that I don't see, thanks to the Canadian media's blackout?

The worst thing of all ... we Anglo Canadians don't have a voice at the table, and I hope that people are noticing what a deceitful worm Mulcair is.

I can almost see Junior Trudeau dusting off some of the old man's phrases ... soon, we may be replaying that whole era for a third time ... a revived separatist movement, a PQ government in Quebec, with the NDP playing the part of mischief-maker.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 11:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The editorial reaction has been swift and nearly unanimous. I don't know why.

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Thomas Mulcair knows how to piss off editorial boards in central Canada. Today’s papers are proof, in case you needed any. The morning after Mulcair’s party proposed new rules that would govern a prospective referendum on Quebec’s sovereignty, editorialists reacted with vigour, their words bordering on disgust. The NDP’s proposal, a private member’s bill tabled in Toronto MP Craig Scott’s name, suggests that Quebec should be able to secede from Canada by a simple majority vote. The referendum question would have to be clear, the bill offers, and any disagreement about it would be adjudicated by the Quebec Court of Appeal.

The Globe and Mail calls the proposal “a risky move for the NDP, and a bad one for Canada.” The Ottawa Citizen, after dismantling the NDP’s proposal, concluded diplomatically that Mulcair is ”lacking prime ministerial qualities.” The Toronto Star, which similarly took down the proposal and dismissed it as pandering to the NDP’s Quebec voter base, was even harsher. “Canadians need to know that a party that aspires to govern the federation is prepared to defend it,” the Star‘s editorialists wrote. “In the NDP’s case, that can’t be taken for granted.” The National Post lashed out, arguing the NDP’s 50%+1 position “represents a stain on this nominally ‘federalist’ party.” The Post‘s editorial goes on to suggest that, even if the federal Liberals lose votes in Quebec because they disagree with both the Bloc Quebecois and NDP on how to hold a referendum, it could pay the fledgling party dividends outside the province.

There’s one prominent speck of cautious agreement with the NDP’s move: The Post‘s John Ivison, drawing on his home country of Scotland’s experience with past referendums, says the 50%+1 formula is the right call—even if the bill is still flawed. One reserved fan among many critics: and yet, Muclair probably couldn’t care less.
http://www2.macleans.ca/2013/0.....orialists/
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 8:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The CPC and LPC should try and bring as much attention to this as possible.
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