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PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 10:46 am    Post subject: Toronto Mayor Rob Ford removed from office by courts Reply with quote

( toronto lefties have got there wish in a bizare legal case that to me didn't seem signicant enough to justify full removal from office . its unfortunate voters didn't get to have a say in this , who knows who the next mayor will be ? )


Toronto Mayor Rob Ford removed from office

By Jonathan Jenkins, Queen's Park Bureau



TORONTO - Toronto Mayor Rob Ford has been punted from office, just days short of celebrating his second anniversary of being sworn in.

Justice Charles Hackland's eagerly awaited decision in a conflict of interest case was handed down at 10 a.m. Monday at a downtown courthouse.

Ford had been accused of violating council's conflict guidelines after he spoke to and voted on whether to accept an Integrity Commissioner's report critical of how he raised funds for his football charity last February.

Integrity Commissioner Janet Leiper had ordered Ford to repay $3,000.

Council voted with Ford to reject the report but a private citizen then complained Ford should not have spoken or cast a ballot on the issue.

Hackland could have found Ford didn't violate the guidelines - or that the infringement wasn't significant enough to warrant removal from office.


Instead he becomes the first Toronto mayor to be removed from office. It's expected he will appeal the ruling.

Sunday would have marked two years to the day since Ford was sworn in as mayor, after defeating former deputy premier George Smitherman in the 2010 civic election.


http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Po.....85081.html
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 10:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I suspect he will appeal;
And likely win.

However it goes to show the issue with Ontario courts once again.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 12:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What kind of banana republic is this?

We couldn't get to the bottom of the $100 million or so that went missing in the Lastman era. David Miller didn't sweep anything clean, but we couldn't get any accountability there, either ... he just dedicated himself to making the streets impassible to traffic, as a 'green initiative' ...

But this mayor ... dedicated to balancing the new city's budget for the first time ever ... votes on a report that examines his behaviour with a charity, he is cashiered!

What a judiciary we have!!! What paragons of prudent judgement!!! What pathetic jokes!!!
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 1:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cosmostein wrote:
I suspect he will appeal;
And likely win.

However it goes to show the issue with Ontario courts once again.


i guess he can appeal not sure what his chances are of overturning this decision

somehow suspect Olivia Chow is allready assembling a campaign team by now

what will be interesting if ford does leave is if toronto council picks the next mayor or if there is a by election either way i predict municipal chao's in toronto for the next while
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 11:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hard to know the substance of the judgement - reporters were cracking jokes about having to wait for photocopies and the judgement won't be online until later.

All seems to hinge on whether there his foundation had a 'pecuniary interest' in a matter before council. (Paraphrasing part 2 of the conflict of interest act). I'm assuming Ford is a member/director of his own Foundation.

Was Toronto city council voting on something about his foundation? Does Ford draw a salary or stipend from his foundation?

If not, then how is this any different than a city councilor asking a lobbyist to buy girl guide cookies??

What if a councilor was a member of the Canadian Legion and sold some poppies?

Takes pecuniary interest to a new level.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 9:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

johnm wrote:

All seems to hinge on whether there his foundation had a 'pecuniary interest' in a matter before council. (Paraphrasing part 2 of the conflict of interest act). I'm assuming Ford is a member/director of his own Foundation.

Was Toronto city council voting on something about his foundation? Does Ford draw a salary or stipend from his foundation?

The best summary of the case I've seen is from a comment on SDA:

http://www.smalldeadanimals.co.....ml#c781100

Basically, Ford committed a minor ethical wrong, and had he owned up to it, apologized, and promised not to do it again, the matter would have ended right then & there. Instead, at every opportunity to resolve the situation (and Ford had many), Ford went into ATTACK! mode and doubled down.

The last straw was that he spoke against and voted against the Integrity Commissioner's report that recommended he personally repay the improperly solicited $3000 in charitable donations to his charity. He had a direct, personal stake in that vote - a textbook case of conflict of interest. He forged ahead anyway, bulldog that he is, won the vote, and sealed his own doom.

As I said in the SDA thread, Rob Ford is not a shining star to whom conservatives should attach themselves. He was a shooting star, who has now burned up in the atmosphere, his political usefulness spent.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 10:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ford handled this delicate situation with a sledgehammer rather then a scalpel, however I am not entirely sure this punishment will stand on appeal.

Ontario judges over the last decade have been more interested with making headlines then simply upholding law and if this is taken to higher levels of court while I am sure he will be reprimanded I am not entirely sure he will be stripped of position.

Time will tell;

In the mean time, Doug Holyday is a good man and will make a solid interim mayor.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 10:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cosmostein wrote:
Ford handled this delicate situation with a sledgehammer rather then a scalpel, however I am not entirely sure this punishment will stand on appeal.

Ontario judges over the last decade have been more interested with making headlines then simply upholding law and if this is taken to higher levels of court while I am sure he will be reprimanded I am not entirely sure he will be stripped of position.

Time will tell;

In the mean time, Doug Holyday is a good man and will make a solid interim mayor.


Ford might have handled it better, but who amongst us wouldn't have feel put upon when the civil servants start regulating our private life?

Particularly when we all know -- don't we? -- that others are doing pretty much the same thing. Often for good causes.

There are plenty of elliptical connections between city hall and lobbyists, and they don't all involve politicians, either. The denizens of City Hall know Ford blows his top, and makes mistakes, and they give him opportunities to.

The point is that it is a trivial violation that, usually, is left for the electorate to adjudicate. The man, after all, got more votes than any active politician in Canada. Is a court going to set that aside for something like this?

Besides, his opponents have already got their pound of flesh.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 11:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ezra Levant on the Ford case ...

Quote:
Suing over stationery: Ford sacked while sins of left overlooked


Two years ago, a left-wing city councillor in Toronto named Kyle Rae retired. But he went out with a blast. He scooped $12,000 out of his city hall budget to throw himself a goodbye party at the tony Rosewater Club.

That was public money. But wasn’t Rae worth it? He thought he was.

A $16 bottle of orange juice was the final straw that sacked federal cabinet minister Bev Oda. But when a motion was put forward for Rae to repay the city for the $12,000 celebration of himself, it was ruled out of order. It was deemed OK under the rules at the time.

Around the same time, another city councilor, a conservative named Rob Ford, was handling money, too. He wasn’t spending it though. He was raising it, for a children’s charity, an amateur football club that Ford also coaches. Ford wrote a letter to private donors, and raised $3,150. But he made a mistake — he put his fundraising letter on city hall stationery.

He didn’t pocket the money; it went to the charity. But he used a piece of paper with the city logo on it.

Rae’s tribute to himself was fine. But Ford’s support for kids sports wasn’t — the city’s conflict of interest commissioner ruled against him.

Which was correct: Technically, Ford was wrong. City council had a debate and vote on the matter, and Ford stubbornly insisted it wasn’t a conflict and it was a trivial matter. He joined with most of council in voting that it was no big deal.

But on Monday , an Ontario judge fired Ford, now the mayor. As in, he’s sacked. “Vacated” is the technical term. He’s gone.

The Municipal Conflict of Interest Act has a range of punishments for someone who violates the public trust, from a mere reprimand to “vacating” their seat. Justice Charles Hackland chose to “vacate,” citing the mayor’s stubbornness.

Really? At this very moment, Joe Fontana sits in the mayor’s chair in London, Ont., even as he faces four criminal charges relating to using taxpayers’ money to pay for his child’s wedding.

But Ford was sacked for using the wrong stationery, and not repenting to the judge’s satisfaction.

Former prime minister Jean Chretien presided over a corrupt Liberal government that steered $250 million through false invoices submitted by ad agencies, that was then kicked back to the Liberal party in Quebec. Yet not a single politician was removed from office for Adscam.

Or the most scandalous of all: The politicians at the Attawapiskat reserve — a town of just 2,000 burdened by three chiefs and 18 band councilors — who have frittered away tens of millions of dollars in government grants, while their citizens live in Third-World housing.

Why was Ford sacked for using the wrong stationery but Fontana, Chretien and the reserve chiefs spared?

It’s obvious. He’s a conservative, and they’re liberals.

And what the liberal elites in Toronto couldn’t do during the election campaign, in the court of public opinion, they knew they could do in the court of law.

It’s lawfare. It’s undoing the will of democracy through sustained nuisance suits. It was a junk lawsuit — imagine, suing over stationery! — but it hit its target.

Ford crushed the liberal elite’s candidate in the last election, by almost 100,000 votes. But one judge overturned that. Ford is an imperfect man. But political punishment for him is up to the voters, not a pack of hard-left lawyers and a lone judge.

Ford must run again — not only to continue his conservative agenda, but to take democracy back from the lawyers, and give it back to the people.
http://www.torontosun.com/2012.....overlooked


Is that true? It all goes back to the fact that Ford used the wrong letterhead in a letter?

Comments?
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 12:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kyle Rae is an example I often use regarding how poorly run the city was under the Miller days, its nice to see that someone else is finally taking issue with his goodbye party that Toronto taxpayers paid for.

Levant is of course correct;
While as I mentioned above Ford was brash and surely but perhaps he had every right to be, however Justice Hackland used just as much of a sledgehammer in implementing his punishment as Ford did thumbing his nose at it which is largely why I am so confident it will be thrown out on appeal.

The punishment did not fit the crime;
There isn't a question that wrongdoing occurred but in a minor sense so much so that even the Toronto City Council largely agreed with how minor it in fact was.

The problem how is that a higher court almost needs to squash this decision because of the dramatic overreach the precedent would set, the fact that a judge can basically discount a democratic election over the most minor of infractions is utterly ridiculous much like the original Etobicoke-Centre ruling it will be left up to a higher court to apply some degree of common sense to this matter.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 12:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's also a testimonial to the self-indulgence of the municipal council and the courts, that they take their vendettas this far.

I agree that Ford could be a bit more flexible as well, and he contributes to his troubles with his bombast. But that doesn't justify this ...
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2013 8:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

(Hopefully) the last Hurrah for whatever dark forces are behind all of this ...

http://o.canada.com/2013/01/25.....s-big-day/

You have to smile ... you could hardly pick a better embodiment of the Tim Horton Canadian than Rob Ford. Belly hanging over his belt, unpolished, but solid ... and, goddammit, he's actually getting the city on budget!

There's a history here. Metro Toronto was originally set up as a half-way step to a later amalgamation -- back in Leslie Frost days. The transition ought to have been smooth. There was supposed to be $400 million in savings for the tax-payers out of it.

The savings never came, and the city became a ward of the province from the start. Mel Lastman tried to get growth happening through promotions ... remember the moose, all of whose horns disappeared within weeks? ... used to decorate some teen-agers bedroom, no doubt ... People were stealing him crazy. There was a computer scandal that David Miller was going to end, remember? ... and he just put his broom away, and started a war with the car. And nothing seemed to change. Every year, the city went to Queens Park with its hand out ... then to Ottawa, to embarrass the Conservatives into forking over more of the people's dough. (Miller couldn't keep a sneer off his face even when he had his hand out, so holier-than-thou was he.) They put signs in the subways blaming the overcrowding on other levels of government ... while the fares have doubled in 8 years. Mooching at every level.

There has developed a nasty city hall subculture, where power is wielded essentially out in the halls, a conspiracy of civil servants, their unions, politicians -- and a thick layer of profesionals of various sorts who handle the interface of the public with an increasingly person-hostile city hall.

Rob Ford's virtue is that he isn't of that.

He made an issue of the largesse of council from before amalgamation. He used only a fraction of his 'office expenses' and claimed not to notice any lack. When the figures about councilor expenses were published, there were two councilors who were outliers ... Ford and Holyoake ... they embarrassed the other councilors. So the council decided to stop that. They actually tried to discipline Ford for his parsimony.

You couldn't make this stuff up.

But he (apparently) has brought the city on budget! He's a success!

What is vile is this low use of the courts to interfere with the People's Choice ... the man who more people voted for than any other official in Canada. It's an example of something called lawfare -- the use of the courts to drain an organization of resources, including management resources, generally for political reasons. Anyone can start a lawsuit. Clayton Ruby is to be particularly condemned.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 8:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What Ford should do is step down from coaching football and bring in a new rule that states no city council can work with any sports teams while in office this would get the far left off his back in a hurry.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 10:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How about that;
The Democratically elected mayor of Toronto gets to keep his job....
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 10:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cosmostein wrote:
How about that;
The Democratically elected mayor of Toronto gets to keep his job....


Right or wrong this very well could sour people on voting right leaning people back in in the near future.
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