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PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 4:20 pm    Post subject: Todays world yesterday (Leonard Cohen - The Future) Reply with quote


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I find this song to be an excellent description of what's happening today. Probably even more so in 2009 than in '92 are Cohen's lyrics so relevant. Speaking of abortions, sexual immorality, the culture wars. Post WW2 and during the cold war, people were so concerned of Stalin and Communism, but after the fall of the Soviets, I think we lost sight of other evils, and that's what this song is saying.

Givew me back the Berlin Wall? Give me Stalin? Why? Because by comparison to what we have today, Stalin and the USSR doesn't look so bad.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What's changed is that there used to be some basic shared moral values that society as a whole upheld as worthwhile.

Moral values against adultery, moral values against a certain level of vulgarity in the media and in public, moral values against cheating (in the more general sense - i.e. against cheating at sports, or cheating on school tests), traditional family values of parents putting their children first and of raising their children with certain basic moral values, our holidays of Halloween and Christmas being something that united people together and added a deeper sense of culture to everything, etc..., etc...


Now, much of this has been sacrificed on the altars of political correctness and multiculturalism in many places through out Canada.


As it pertains to sex, I've met a lot of people on-line who seem to have no lines in the sand at all... and I mean at all. It's like all that they live for is sex, which I find very sad and shallow.


And then people wonder why we have the problems that we do with teenage pregnancy, with STDs, with broken families, with high divorce rates...

It's because the culture has grown sick. There's little in the current culture that reinforces good, bedrock behavior like staying true to your spouse, being prudent with your money, or living a healthy lifestyle.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 7:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It's because the culture has grown sick. There's little in the current culture that reinforces good, bedrock behavior like staying true to your spouse, being prudent with your money, or living a healthy lifestyle.


Hear hear. A couple of days ago a muslim iimigrant man I work beside said to me (in broken english) "This culture is fucked - no respect, everyone only for their own pleasure."

He went on to elaborate. Unfortunately, as much as I wanted to defend my home against the things he was saying I couldn't. Everything he said was true.

What the hell was I supposed to say? "Oh yeah? Well at least we don't chop people's hands off!" or some other stupid accusation against Muslim nations? ----- A weak response to his descriptions of western culture.

I mean give me a break. When Vanity fair magazine shows a cover of 15 year old Miley Cyrus naked and her father is ok with it AND CNN's entertainment commentator says "It was very tastefully done" ------- What the hell CAN you say to defend our culture?
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 11:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It's because the culture has grown sick. There's little in the current culture that reinforces good, bedrock behavior like staying true to your spouse, being prudent with your money, or living a healthy lifestyle.


Hear hear. A couple of days ago a muslim iimigrant man I work beside said to me (in broken english) "This culture is fucked - no respect, everyone only for their own pleasure."

He went on to elaborate. Unfortunately, as much as I wanted to defend my home against the things he was saying I couldn't. Everything he said was true.

What the hell was I supposed to say? "Oh yeah? Well at least we don't chop people's hands off!" or some other stupid accusation against Muslim nations? ----- A weak response to his descriptions of western culture.

I mean give me a break. When Vanity fair magazine shows a cover of 15 year old Miley Cyrus naked and her father is ok with it AND CNN's entertainment commentator says "It was very tastefully done" ------- What the hell CAN you say to defend our culture?


I sympathize completely.

Islamic culture may be one extreme... but the west has definitely become the opposing extreme. Just no sense of basic human decency or propriety whatsoever. Short-term instant gratification over everything... it's an utterly mad way to approach life, and yet it is what our current culture promotes.

It makes so many people restless and listless... just living for the moment, and never trying to build up something wholesome and worthwhile that'll last a lifetime (like, you know, a good honest family that has some real values that it lives by).


If Islamic culture comes to dominate in Europe as Mark Steyn as theorized then a big part of the reason why is because our own culture has degraded so much.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 1:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote


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Not sure why the official video is censored? ... It is frightful that he is suggesting that the millions that Stalin murdered is better then what is to come in the future.

(On a side note: For anyone that is a fan of Leonard Cohen, there is a 'rumour' that he is coming to the Maraposa folk festival in Orillia Ontario next summer for the 50th anniversary of the festival) http://www.mariposafolk.com/index.php :wink:

Give me back my broken night
my mirrored room, my secret life
it's lonely here,
there's no one left to torture
Give me absolute control
over every living soul
And lie beside me, baby,
that's an order!

Give me crack and anal sex
Take the only tree that's left
stuff it up the hole
in your culture
Give me back the Berlin wall
give me Stalin and St Paul
I've seen the future, brother:
it is murder.

Things are going to slide, slide in all directions
Won't be nothing
Nothing you can measure anymore
The blizzard, the blizzard of the world
has crossed the threshold
and it has overturned
the order of the soul
When they said REPENT REPENT
I wonder what they meant
When they said REPENT REPENT
I wonder what they meant
When they said REPENT REPENT
I wonder what they meant.

You don't know me from the wind
you never will, you never did
I was the little jew
who wrote the Bible
I've seen the nations rise and fall
I've heard their stories, heard them all
but love's the only engine of survival
Your servant here, he has been told
to say it clear, to say it cold:
It's over, it ain't going
any further
And now the wheels of heaven stop
you feel the devil's RIDING crop
Get ready for the future:
it is murder.

Things are going to slide ...

There'll be the breaking of the ancient
western code
Your private life will suddenly explode
There'll be phantoms
There'll be fires on the road
and a white man dancing
You'll see a woman
hanging upside down
her features covered by her fallen gown
and all the lousy little poets
coming round
tryin' to sound like Charlie Manson
and the white man dancin'.

Give me back the Berlin wall
Give me Stalin and St Paul
Give me Christ
or give me Hiroshima
Destroy another fetus now
We don't like children anyhow
I've seen the future, baby:
it is murder.

Things are going to slide ...

When they said REPENT REPENT ...
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