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Mac





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PostPosted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 3:02 pm    Post subject: The Dog Ate Global Warming!! Reply with quote

A tip of the hat to National Review Online for this gem... Click the link to read the full article. Here's a couple of teaser paragraphs...

-Mac

The Dog Ate Global Warming... LINK

Interpreting climate data can be hard enough. What if some key data have been fiddled?

By Patrick J. Michaels

Imagine if there were no reliable records of global surface temperature. Raucous policy debates such as cap-and-trade would have no scientific basis, Al Gore would at this point be little more than a historical footnote, and President Obama would not be spending this U.N. session talking up a (likely unattainable) international climate deal in Copenhagen in December.

Steel yourself for the new reality, because the data needed to verify the gloom-and-doom warming forecasts have disappeared.

Or so it seems. Apparently, they were either lost or purged from some discarded computer. Only a very few people know what really happened, and they aren’t talking much. And what little they are saying makes no sense.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 9:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A very telling quote from the linked article:
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Now begins the fun. Warwick Hughes, an Australian scientist, wondered where that “+/–” came from, so he politely wrote Phil Jones in early 2005, asking for the original data. Jones’s response to a fellow scientist attempting to replicate his work was, “We have 25 years or so invested in the work. Why should I make the data available to you, when your aim is to try and find something wrong with it?”

Reread that statement, for it is breathtaking in its anti-scientific thrust. In fact, the entire purpose of replication is to “try and find something wrong.” The ultimate objective of science is to do things so well that, indeed, nothing is wrong.


There is an entire website devoted to reverse engineering the raw data and discovering how the corrections were made. Mind you, the 'average global temperature' is itself a useless statistic ... but that's a discussion for another time.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 9:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Funny how we don't hear the global warming crowd chirping about how "the science is in" in the media anymore.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 9:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mac wrote:
Funny how we don't hear the global warming crowd chirping about how "the science is in" in the media anymore.

-Mac


David Suzuki is still saying that, but it's not as if he ever had any credibility to begin with.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 10:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No surprises in that article... The Dog ate Global Warming :roll: :lol:

Even looking at the location of the weather stations that Environment Canada gathers their data from, you find that many of them are on Airports, Military Bases, in Cities and other heat absorbing locations.

At these weather stations there is a lack of shade trees (and forests) and a substantial amount of pavement and buildings that absorb heat from the sun and distorts temperature readings for the region that weather station is representing. This distortion of temperature readings occurs especially on calm days when the wind does not disperse the heat from heat absorbing materials near these weather stations. These weather stations were not placed where they are to collect Climate data they were placed there for reporting daily weather and estimating weather for a 7 day window.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 5:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bsenka wrote:
David Suzuki is still saying that, but it's not as if he ever had any credibility to begin with.

As I've often said, David Suzuki is like Mr. Dressup. Both were creations of the CBC but Ernest Coombs had more credibility. That being said, many Canadians take the word of Suzuki as being gospel as they accept the CBC's left wing pablum as being fact.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 11:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's another letter similar to the one quoted above, this to a dissident who was uninvited from a conference over his heresy:

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...Taylor had arranged funding to attend the meeting in Copenhagen, and has been at every meeting of this group since 1981. With 30 years of experience in polar bear research, it goes without saying that he has something to contribute to any discussion about polar bear conservation. This is the original email from Derocher to Taylor explaining why he was not invited:

"Hi Mitch,

The world is a political place and for polar bears, more so now than ever before. I have no problem with dissenting views as long as they are supportable by logic, scientific reasoning, and the literature.

I do believe, as do many Polar Bear Specialist Group (PBSG) members, that for the sake of polar bear conservation, views that run counter to human induced climate change are extremely unhelpful. In this vein, your positions and statements in the Manhattan Declaration, the Frontier Institute, and the Science and Public Policy Institute are inconsistent with positions taken by the PBSG.

I too was not surprised by the members not endorsing an invitation.

Nothing I heard had to do with your science on harvesting or your research on polar bears – it was the positions you’ve taken on global warming that brought opposition.

Time will tell who is correct but the scientific literature is not on the side of those arguing against human induced climate change.

I look forward to having someone else chair the PBSG.
Best regards,
Andy (Derocher) …"

More on the context at jennifermarohasy.com
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 10:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mac wrote:
Funny how we don't hear the global warming crowd chirping about how "the science is in" in the media anymore.

-Mac


Because they're beyond that. Like for all religions: questioning the very foundation of the belief is not even an acceptable thought. Make no mistake, the drivel is very well alive and will last at least a generation's time (probably more).
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This concealing of raw data by pro-AGW scientists is getting to be quite a trend. Seems that Canadian scientists Ross McKitrick and Steve McIntyre have finallly, after years of effort, accessed the tree ring data used to contsruct the infamous 'hockey stick' graph popularised by Al Gore: LINK
Turns out, suprise suprise, that it was built by cherry picking specific small samples over larger and more robust data sets that didn't contain the 'right' information. A picture is worth a thousand words:


SOURCE
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 29, 2009 6:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RuralandRight wrote:


At these weather stations there is a lack of shade trees (and forests) and a substantial amount of pavement and buildings that absorb heat from the sun and distorts temperature readings for the region that weather station is representing. This distortion of temperature readings occurs especially on calm days when the wind does not disperse the heat from heat absorbing materials near these weather stations. These weather stations were not placed where they are to collect Climate data they were placed there for reporting daily weather and estimating weather for a 7 day window.


This argument has been made to a greater extend in the United States. A whole hoast of activists tried to photograph all the monitoring stations in the US and clasify their value. They found a few real humdingers, including one a few feet away from an exhuast vent!.

In the end though, they failed to prove that heat islands and poorly placed weather stations were responsible for a false rise in temperture. While they were able to point out that many of the stations were really poorly placed, the stations that they felt were well placed confirmed the general upward trend in temperatures.

I don't think that the fact that temperatures are rising (or were rising up to a decade ago) is really in dispute anymore. Now the focus is on the cause, C02 vs Solar stuff.
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