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DavidK





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PostPosted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 3:31 am    Post subject: RCMP shouldn't handle serious member cases Reply with quote

RCMP officers should not be allowed to investigate their fellow Mounties for serious offences, because such a system fails to inspire confidence in the investigative process and raises conflict of interest questions, concludes a new report from the RCMP watchdog.

Okay...I get the fact that there can be bias if you have regular police officers investigating other police officers Ė that makes sense. There are some police officers who might look the other way out of a sense of brotherhood and kinship. But I donít think itís smart to have non-trained officials (trained as in other cops) investigating maters of boundaries and limits within law enforcement!

In the US, The NYPD (and most other major police forces federal and otherwise) have an Internal Affairs Bureau Ė a group of officers who investigate specifically violations and misconduct by regular officers and officials Ė From what Iíve read, this works well, and is in place because of mass corruption that plagued New York law enforcement. There is a very distinct line between IAB and your average guy on the street!

I see nothing wrong with the police force having an internal policing system, as long as it is done correctly! If Iím not mistaken, does the RCMP not already have this? If so, why canít it be fixed? Iíd much rather see that then what this commission suggests.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 6:31 pm    Post subject: Re: RCMP shouldn't handle serious member cases Reply with quote

DavidK wrote:
I see nothing wrong with the police force having an internal policing system, as long as it is done correctly! If Iím not mistaken, does the RCMP not already have this? If so, why canít it be fixed? Iíd much rather see that then what this commission suggests.

In the larger urban centres, there is usually an internal affairs unit and/or anti-corruption unit but in the small offices, such investigations are usually conducted by the Serious Crimes Section detectives from the nearest Detachment. Depending on how serious the crime alleged, that investigation will be reviewed by a non-RCMP police agency OR in some cases, the actual investigation itself will be conducted by the outside agency. In most cases, a special prosecutor is brought in (someone completely unfamiliar with those involved). In all cases, the Public Complaints Commission (our civilian watchdog agency) can oversee any and all investigations.

There's a couple of problems with leaving all such investigations to a Special Investigations Unit (SIU) like the OPP have. For instance:

1- The RCMP are much larger and diverse than the OPP or NYPD so anyone working for an SIU would be traveling a great deal.

2- In many cases, serious investigations depend on the timeliness and thoroughness of the initial investigators. If the evidence must wait for a detective to travel into town, it's almost guaranteed some of it will be lost.

3- The current protocols (peer reviewed investigations & civilian oversight) works but the police aren't winning the battle in the court of public opinion. Adding an SIU to the mixture won't change that.

4- Finding experienced investigators who don't have a police background to staff and SIU would be challenging.

In many, if not all, of these controversial cases, the media and/or the family of those involved refuse to accept anything less than complete condemnation of the police. Since there's very few incidents where that's appropriate, they complain long and loud. That has nothing to do with the investigation and everything to do with our society's current tendency to challenge our great institutions.

The counter-cultural movement of the 1960s rejected the mores and ideals of the 1960s society. The hippies had kids and nurtured them on the same challenging/rejection mindset. In some cases, we're into a third generation of those who hate everything which used to be considered normal...

It's been said that respect is earned and that's true but when you're dealing with someone who doesn't know how to give respect, you're in trouble.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 6:52 pm    Post subject: Re: RCMP shouldn't handle serious member cases Reply with quote

DavidK wrote:


I see nothing wrong with the police force having an internal policing system, as long as it is done correctly! If Iím not mistaken, does the RCMP not already have this? If so, why canít it be fixed? Iíd much rather see that then what this commission suggests.


I knew a woman who was charged with some serious driving offenses. She was going to go to trial on them until she told her daughter. Her daughters fiance was a police officer a few hundred miles away. The fiance arranged a meeting with the prosecutor and *poof* the charges were dropped.
Those people were in different departments in different cities, but there was still a "professional courtsy".
I doubt this would apply in cases where the trust between police officers is broken (police commit clearly criminal acts outside of the line of duty), but in cases that are not so cut and dry, I think you might have cases like the above.
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