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What kind of Tory are you?
Red Tory [social conservative, economic nationalist]
7%
 7%  [ 2 ]
Yellow Tory [libertarian, minarchist]
11%
 11%  [ 3 ]
Liberal Tory [liberal conservative]
15%
 15%  [ 4 ]
Radical Tory [socialism with cultural conservatism]
3%
 3%  [ 1 ]
Blue Tory [fiscal conservative, centrist on social issues]
34%
 34%  [ 9 ]
Green Tory [conservative, environmentalist]
3%
 3%  [ 1 ]
Traditionalist Tory [fiscal conservative, social conservative]
23%
 23%  [ 6 ]
Total Votes : 26

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Libertas





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PostPosted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 2:53 pm    Post subject: What Tory Are You? Reply with quote

What kind of Tory are you?

I'm a Liberal Tory. What that basically means is I support the ability of the government to prevent environmental damage and strongly support conservation. When it comes to healthcare and education I support it being universal, but I'd like reforms to move us closer to the [charter schools, private hospitals] Dutch model. All welfare payments should be abolished in favour of a negative income tax and business taxes should be close to zero to improve the economy. If the government wants more revenue they should do it through taxes on consumption. Civil liberties should be protected and must not be relegated to second tier status. Relations with other countries should be based on realism instead of idealism. When it comes to individual freedom and drug policy, prostitution and minor drug use should be legalized to reduce harm, hard drugs like crystal meth and heroine should remain illegal. Activities that are damaging to health [drinking, drugs, smoking,etc] should be taxed. The criminal justice system should focus on punishment and only attempt to rehabilitate those who want to become part of society again. Repeat violent offenders should receive life sentences.

The party that would best represent my views would be the Free Democratic Party.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F.....che_Partei
DavidK





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PostPosted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 3:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Since when has a Red Tory been socially conservative?
Libertas





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PostPosted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 3:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Since Benjamin Disraeli.

If you've ever read George Grant he wasn't exactly supportive of social liberalism. Red Tory nowadays has been bastardized to the point where it just means someone who is fiscally conservative and socially liberal, despite the fact it was traditionally the opposite.
DavidK





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PostPosted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 3:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

*Nods*

In recent years, it has been my thought that a Red Tory is fiscally conservative and socially liberal. It is my understanding that this is not the traditional definition, but it is the one that is widely accepted today. Also that a Blue Tory tends to lean to the right on both fiscal and social issues (with moderates in both camps). In any case, Iím socially conservative, and I lean right fiscally for the most part. So I like the term Traditionalist.
paisley_cross





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PostPosted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 3:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think I replied to a question like this just a few days ago, but not as colorful. I have never thought of conservatives in Canada as necessarily being what is now referred to as "social conservatives". If fact when people talk about socons I think of the religious right.

Given the definitions I would say I am "Blue".

Certainly more blue than red - support tougher penalties for violent crime, reform of our regulatory regime to make it less intrusive, shutting down any medical clinic that encourages people to remain addicts, reduction in taxes consistent with balanced budgets, reforming of the CHRA and removal of Section 13, a mixed public/private health care system. a responsible approach to EI where claimants must have a significant labor force attachment and above all a reworking of our immigration and refugee policies and a cleansing of the IRB.

Long guns should not be registered and our military needs to be adequately equipped. Support as free a trade as possible.

Not really interested in the socon stuff. Not a fan of SSM but it's settled law now and doesn't do any harm. As for abortion, only medically required abortions should be covered by medicare and I think we should have restrictions on PBAs and other late term abortions.

Two upcoming issues are euthanasia and polygamy, the latter thanks to our friends in Victoria. I don't think assisted suicide should be legalized but prosecutors should be given more flexibility in pursuing criminal charges, if at all. I don't think a polygamous relation is a marriage but what I think doesn't count. The courts will declare it to be a constitutional right.
teenagetory





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PostPosted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was debating between yellow and blue tory, in the end I decided my views on foreign policy probably disqualify me from being a libertarian although I still sympathise with their view. If i had to put a name on my views political views "classical liberal" would probably fit best
paisley_cross





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PostPosted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I recall the Tories were the only party to consistently allow a free vote on gay marriage. I know the Libs and Dips didn't - in fact Layton bounced an MP who voted against the Civil Marriage Act. I support this approach and also to minimize those bills that are matters of confidence - perhaps only the Budget and Speech from the Throne.
potan





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PostPosted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 12:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm a Jason Kenney tory. :)
teenagetory





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PostPosted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 2:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What exactly is a Jason Kenney Tory? Other than strong stances on immigration, I'm not exactly sure what he stands for.
potan





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PostPosted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 4:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

teenagetory wrote:
What exactly is a Jason Kenney Tory? Other than strong stances on immigration, I'm not exactly sure what he stands for.


Hi teenage tory, if you're familiar with Jason from his early days at the Canadian Taxpayers Federation, and the Reform Party you would know that he is a traditional conservative.
teenagetory





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PostPosted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 5:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Potan, thanks for the help. I'm not familiar with him at all, but affiliations with Canadian Taxpayer's federation is a big plus. As for his Reform days, I think it would be good to inform the board that I was ten at the time of the merger so everything I know about the Reform or PC's is hearsay
cosmostein





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PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 12:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess that makes me a Green Tory.
Alan A.





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PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 1:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm a brown tory with fuchsia polka dots. No seriously, all that labeling... It floats. A "red tory" in Quebec is considered a communist in Alberta, and a "blue tory" in Regina is seen as a far right-wing fascist in Halifax. And I'm not going to compare North America to Europe.
thurmas





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PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

by your defintion I am blue tory as i am fiscally conservative and moderate on social issues. I support a strong millitary, stonger law and order policies especially when it comes to the young offenders act but i don't have a problem with gay marriage or the pro choice movement because abortions are always going to happen and if you ban it women will only have it done underground where there is good chance for more harm to the woman. I can also understand for instance if it is a young teenage mother not yet ready in being a parent who doesn't want to bring a child into a life of poverty which is likely to happen as a result. It is a painful decision either way for any woman and they should be able to live with the consequences.
kwlafayette





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PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 10:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am not a Tory at all, I am a libertarian.
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