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Libertas





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PostPosted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 6:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Professor Gates laughed when Malcolm X said the white man is the devil.

It's not just Barack's mouth that is a serious problem.

Furthermore, why did he seal his university essays etc. perhaps he wrote something that the professors of the left promoted and he liked.

Obama and his crew are trying to get even, not just with the Constitution.


Oh great, I love it when white males argue they're getting treated no better than blacks were during the Jim Crow south. It's always so illuminating and also makes anyone who opposes affirmative action look like a nutjob.

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Everythiing he has done or trying to do leads to what? An entrepreneurial spirit? Free- Enterprise, even Fair-Enterprise? The ACORN, Bill Ayers influenced radical is playing the people, and the maistream media are right with him. But who is playing him or along with him of the elite?


I love all these vague arguments.

Seems to me that if the entire MSM was with Obama he wouldn't have any opposition. As it turns out he does.

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I think he is a sociailist Democrat, who changed his name from Barry to Barack to indicate that he is African-American rather than half-white and he will do everything in his anointed power to get things the way he was educated by people like Professor Gates, who, it seems likes to play the Race-Card, incite the black people of America.


Yes, because I've never heard of any blacks with anglo sounding names. Barack Obama should have changed his name to something that would indicate he was half-white, how about Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton?

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Prove me wrong.


Just did, and if you have looked at Barack Obama and can't figure out he has black ancestry you already have issues.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 7:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You seem to love a lot of things, good for you. Do more work and solid thinking and you may catch up. Over time.
Libertas





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PostPosted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow, how typical. Since you can't defend your f*cking absurd argument you go back on this "I'm wiser therefore I'm right, even though I don't have substance on any issue I talk about."

By the way, this comment...

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You seem to love a lot of things, good for you. Do more work and solid thinking and you may catch up. Over time.


... says alot. What do I have to catch up on? Are you talking about your bullshit argument that if someone has a foreign sounding name they should automatically be viewed with suspicion?

I don't have anything to catch up on when it comes to your posts. Otherwise I'm no better than these f*cking 9/11 conspiracy theorists who made the exact same argument you just made. Which is that you're somehow more learned, yet you can't state that you're more learned, you just keep on repeating to yourself over and over again that you're smarter than everyone else. It's a delusion.


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Cool Blue





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PostPosted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 8:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is he racist? I don't think so.

Is he prejudiced? Possibly (but most of us are).
Mac





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PostPosted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 9:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'm not stating that all Professors are Gods to be worshipped. But whenever I hear people make absurd statements and smirk at the idea of a person being educated at Harvard or Yale I can't help but wonder what the issue is. If someone was qualified and got well educated why the hell is that something to be considered disgraceful in society, as it was made out to be in the previous post.

I leave it to Onward James to defend his remarks; I will make my own points.

In this case, the fact Obama and Gates were educated at Harvard would be irrelevant except for the fact Prof. Gates was pushing his credentials in an attempt to gain credibility for his erroneous assertion the police officer acted in a racist manner. When his first assertion fell, the professor moved quickly to a more ambiguous assertion that the police officer racially profiled... also bogus... and Obama was foolish enough to tie himself to such crap.

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Yes, and he stated he mispoke on the matter. You know what else, the talk Obama was giving was about healthcare, not the Gates matter which was a question asked by a reporter.

True.. Obama should have kept his peace. Failing that, Obama had the opportunity to apologize and failed to do so.

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Maybe, as has been stated before if people would pay more attention to actual issues instead of bullshit we'd be much better off. We'd also be much better off if conservatives spent less time trying to piss off anyone with a higher education if they want to get elected. Sure it feels great to smirk because a person got an education in biology, but why the hell can't said person also be sympathetic to free market economic policies, is it really a brilliant move to tell them to f*ck off.

These are two separate subjects. First, racial issues are major obstacles in the US; some would argue racial issues are still a major obstacle in Canada as well but that's another subject for another day. The second subject...

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If conservatives hate being stereotyped as anti-intellectual rednecks who revel in mediocrity they should stop smirking if someone has gone to university.

I suspect the anti-intellectuals are more of a symptom than a cause.

Here in Canada, we've had decades of highly educated Liberals telling the citizens to sit quietly while the smart people (ie: the Liberals) run the country. Philosopher kings like Trudeau rent the fabric of Canadian society, nearly bankrupting us (financially and morally) in their effort to remake the nation into Trudeau's "Just Society" at any cost. The current crop of Liberal leaders are just as bad, if not worse, than Trudeau. Dion? Iggy? Both are PhDs and both would be delighted to have their chance to remake Canada to their own particular vision. Green Shaft, anyone?

Aside from that, our public school systems are unionized and openly push their socialist agenda in the classroom. Our universities are worse if that's possible. If a student manages to get through university without becoming a raging leftard, it's almost miraculous.

Yes, the anti-intellectual schtick is tiring and annoying but it's easy to understand. I don't blame you for pointing it out but do you have any suggestions of how to address the problem?

-Mac
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 10:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's a video for your viewing pleasure. You want to bet Obama will stop and think before he opens his mouth on matters like this again? I would like to think so but somehow I doubt it.

-Mac


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Libertas





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PostPosted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 11:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yes, the anti-intellectual schtick is tiring and annoying but it's easy to understand. I don't blame you for pointing it out but do you have any suggestions of how to address the problem?


Building conservative networks in universities and colleges across Canada, building a larger intellectual movement through more thinktanks similar to CATO for example.

I hate the anti-intellectualism that has become prevalent, it makes it that much harder for those on the right in university and forces them to become squeezed between the two sides. There are plenty of intellectuals we can draw support from, we just have to put them front and centre more often.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 12:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mac wrote:

True.. Obama should have kept his peace. Failing that, Obama had the opportunity to apologize and failed to do so.



I could add that some of what happened is still in dispute. Gates still feels the police officer acted stuipidly in arresting him. He states he didn't make the "Yo Momma" comment. There are two stories here, and if Obama believes the Gates (who is his friend) then there is no need to appologize.

I once remember watchng on some TV a video of some dumb hick getting a speeding ticket. His behavior was a lot worse than what Gates was accused of. Half the tape was blanked out because of profanity. The cop just stood their in a monotone voice saying he was going to charge him with littering if he didn't pick up the ticket the driver tore up. He was not charged.

I don't think the police officer was racist, but I think he should have just walked away. Who was Gates threatening ?

Besiides, an apology would then pissed someone else off and this would go on and on. Inviting the two for a beer at the Whitehouse is a master stroke. It diffuses the whole stinking mess.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 6:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not anti-intellectual, it's anti-elitism.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 8:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

fiscalconservative wrote:
I don't think the police officer was racist, but I think he should have just walked away. Who was Gates threatening ?

Tell you what, fc... The officer took what he felt to be appropriate action. He has been fully supported for the arrest by the other officers who were on scene, including black officers. You figure, operating with only on information gleaned through the media, you know better than the guys on scene do?

Obama is being roundly criticized for second-guessing the cops and jumping to conclusions based on incomplete information. You've just done exactly the same thing.

-Mac
Libertas





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PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 9:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It's not anti-intellectual, it's anti-elitism.


Which is really the same thing. Would you rather we just have completely mediocre people doing everything?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 9:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Libertas wrote:
Which is really the same thing. Would you rather we just have completely mediocre people doing everything?

Personally, I thought that was already the case. ;)

-Mac
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 9:51 am    Post subject: Mac is quite right Reply with quote

Mac... you are informed and wise, whereas one or two supposed conservatives who think they know are somewhat limited. Some of my skills developed when I worked as a human resource consultant and corporate headhunter, a successful firm, which I sold many years back. One of my skills was due diligence, checking references, sources etc.

I interviewed hundreds and thousands, and one does not need to study psychology nor sociology to find out about ones beliefs. There are "tells" in writing, speeches, interviews, which require some investigation.

Professor Gates's reaction is but one example of an attitude that will not finish even after Obama surpasses his reparation requirements.

Obama is more than a phony... and a suspicious character... who has learned to make people think differently. And my comments and facts have nothing to do with conspiracy such as Libertas indicates. Maybe not me directly.

Furthermore, there are many people with other agendas that often comment on forums. Some use different names or calling cards. Alas, the Canadian Coalition for Democracies found that out.

I state my name rather than a blogger's or forum member's shroud. However, it is undertsandable why others hide behind a masque.

This is a good forum, open, but when those with limited or bankrupt vocabularies resort to the pejoravtive then it will become much like Richard Dawkins forum.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 10:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Mac... you are informed and wise, whereas one or two supposed conservatives who think they know are somewhat limited.


I don't consider myself a conservative anymore. The simple reason why is because you hear conservative and the first thing that comes to mind is some idiot who thinks the creation story is real science, are concerned about birth certificates, propagate BS about how any person with a foreign sounding name must be distrusted, and will not debate so much as yell over a person.

I'm for positive non-intervention in the economy, a minimal welfare state, a strong national defence, and a strong supporter of civil liberties.

While you go on with your "conservative" crusade to find Obama's birth certificate [despite the state of Hawaii already stating Obama's an American citizen] I'd much rather fight for more worthy causes.

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Some of my skills developed when I worked as a human resource consultant and corporate headhunter, a successful firm, which I sold many years back. One of my skills was due diligence, checking references, sources etc.

I interviewed hundreds and thousands, and one does not need to study psychology nor sociology to find out about ones beliefs. There are "tells" in writing, speeches, interviews, which require some investigation.


Anechdotes are no substitute for fact.

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Obama is more than a phony... and a suspicious character... who has learned to make people think differently. And my comments and facts have nothing to do with conspiracy such as Libertas indicates. Maybe not me directly.


Because stating Barack Obama chose the name due to this notion he doesn't want people to find out he had a white mother is stupid.

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I state my name rather than a blogger's or forum member's shroud. However, it is undertsandable why others hide behind a masque.


Why would I want nutbars to know all my personal information.

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This is a good forum, open, but when those with limited or bankrupt vocabularies resort to the pejoravtive then it will become much like Richard Dawkins forum.


I can only imagine. Then we wouldn't be burdened with your continuous spamming for your blog or your constant use of astrology to compare politicians.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 10:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As I stated in your other comment. You exposed yourself through the reflection of the obsidian mirror.
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