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PostPosted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 8:07 am    Post subject: 2 london Green candidates turn red Reply with quote

Green candidate turns red

Mon, April 20, 2009

POLITICS: Noel Brugon's jump to the Liberal party follows Monica Jarabek's recent switch


By CHIP MARTIN, LONDON FREE PRESS



The Green party's hopes for a breakthrough in London federally has received another blow as one of its candidates last time out has switched to the Liberals.

Noel Burgon, the Green contender in Elgin-Middlesex-London, took out a membership in the Liberal party. It marked his return to a party where he was once an executive member of the Young Liberals at the University of Western Ontario.

"It's a lot like coming home," said the 34-year-old president of Local 6005 of the Communications Energy and Paperworkers Union at Bell Canada.

In January, the area's leading vote-getter for the Greens in the past two federal elections, Monica Jarabek in London West, jumped ship to the Liberals.

Jarabek, 33, a teacher, said she felt she could better advance a green agenda with the Liberals and might consider seeking a nomination in that party at some point.




Aside from being the top vote-getter among Green candidates, Jarabek was the most high profile of that party's candidates and pulled 5,630 votes in the 2008 election.

Burgon said Jarabek's decision had nothing to do with his.

"It's something to see two local Green candidates have gone to the Liberals," he conceded.

Green Leader Elizabeth May contested London-North-Centre in a 2006 byelection, hoping to win the party's first seat in the House of Commons. Despite her lack of success at that time, London was seen as potentially fertile territory for the party.

Burgon said he's been talking to other Greens and former candidates and doesn't expect to see further defections.

"I don't see a groundswell over to the Liberals," said Burgon who pulled 3,240 votes in the 2008 election in Elgin-Middlesex-London, placing fourth of seven candidates in the riding won by Conservative Joe Preston.

He said voters tend to think of the Greens as a party of the left, but he's more inclined to support the more centrist policies of the Liberals.

Besides, he said, "the left is getting crowded (politically)."

Burgon said he plans to work with the grassroots in the Liberals and has no plans to seek nomination as a candidate for them.

He was welcomed back to the Liberals at a recent fundraiser for his rival in the last vote, Suzanne van Bommel, who said she's looking forward to working with him.

http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/Ne.....6-sun.html


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 8:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

it makes me wonder how green these 2 candidates ever were , it says in the article that one of them was once an executive with his campus young liberals . so it doesn't sound like he had much of a green history if any . and the greens are so desperate for candidates in some ridings thet they just about let anybody run without even knowing much about them , which seems to have been the case here .
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 10:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They were either long-time Liberals who did not have a chance to win the party’s riding nomination, so they switched to Green, or they are uncomfortable with May’s disastrous leadership of the Greens. I think the Greens heyday is behind them.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 1:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SFrank85 wrote:
They were either long-time Liberals who did not have a chance to win the party’s riding nomination, so they switched to Green, or they are uncomfortable with May’s disastrous leadership of the Greens. I think the Greens heyday is behind them.


my bet is a bit of both , its also been mentioned elsewhere that monica jarabek wants the liberal nomination in london west now that sue barnes is gone so that might explain why she switched . she likely felt she had a better chance with that nomination than a green nomination .

i'm not sure where the green's are headed , it seems like there is 2 types of greens . the one believes in the party and environmental principles etc and wants to see the party actually go somewhere , the other is like may , left of centre in nature but less committed to the greens and willing to go elsewhere if they feel its in there best interest . plus there is people who just voted for them as a sort of none of the above option and have a dislike of the traditional parties .
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 5:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the greens have hit their high water mark, in terms of electoral success... the next election will probably see their support back down to 5% or lower.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 8:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

FF_Canuck wrote:
I think the greens have hit their high water mark, in terms of electoral success... the next election will probably see their support back down to 5% or lower.


There propects for seats is poor as well , May had her best chance in that by-election in london north centre and had another chance last election due to her high profile status and fact she was in the debate but she made the mistake of running againts mackay in an unwinnable riding , but other possible green seats are extremely unlikely , guelph one that has been mention will not be vacant in the next election so its much less likely to go green , blair wilson in west vancouver is over and that one not coming back to them , grey bruce owen sound is one where they have come second in last provincial and federal vote but seems unlike to actually go green and liberals also planning on puting up a stronger fight there next time and want to nominate a candidate soon .

there just seems to be no seats for the greens . and they have not won any in other countries either under the first past the post system .
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 4:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

FF_Canuck wrote:
I think the greens have hit their high water mark, in terms of electoral success... the next election will probably see their support back down to 5% or lower.


I think if the Green's as a whole pitched May and brought in a leader rather then a Martyr they would have the means to replace the NDP as the 4th party.

Under Jim Harris reading the Green Platform was more palatable then reading the NDP's under Layton. While I would not vote Green they came off as not being extremists and actually looked like a political party.

Call me crazy, but I think the Green's would have had a seat or so had Jim Harris been the one at the televised debates rather then May.

She simply reinforced the fact that the Green's have nothing in common with the average middle of the road voter.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 5:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

FF_Canuck wrote:
I think the greens have hit their high water mark, in terms of electoral success... the next election will probably see their support back down to 5% or lower.

Agreed, especially if they stick with Elizabeth May as leader.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 6:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What's the point of the Green Party?
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 8:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the Dion led Liberal Party was not 'green enough' for these people, what do they think the Ignatieff led party will be like?

It does make you wonder.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 8:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

arnab wrote:
What's the point of the Green Party?

Good question; no idea. The part of "nagging socialist party" was already filled.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 06, 2009 12:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Green Party will likely suffer a slow death. They've hit their high water mark and are nor reverting to becoming more the party of Elizabeth May than anything else.

I don't see why any members of the party would want to keep Elizabeth May around when you look at the fact she would tell her supports to engage in strategic voting, then state they shouldn't, and then repeat the cycle over again.

If Jim Harris was the leader of the Greens they would be far more competitive, hell if he was the current leader I would likely vote for him out of disgust with the antics of the Liberals and Conservatives.

BTW: I flipped through May's book when I was at Coles, it was nothing but a horrid piece of self-righteous claptrap.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 11:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't you mean they allowed their inner red to com out? Green parties the world over have always been anything but. They should actually be called watermelon parties; green to the casual observer, but red to the core.
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