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Rusty Bedsprings





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PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 9:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Co2’s are not the problem, yet these scientists like to blame it for the earth’s “warming”. Co2 are natural.


warming, no its climate change now because since 1997 the global temperature has gone down by 1 degree celsius.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 9:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rusty Bedsprings wrote:
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Co2’s are not the problem, yet these scientists like to blame it for the earth’s “warming”. Co2 are natural.


warming, no its climate change now because since 1997 the global temperature has gone down by 1 degree celsius.


Which is why they try and use this language, because Al Gore and his hockey stick diagram have been caught in a lie, and they are now trying to make up for it.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 10:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Liberals could legitimately argue that Stephane Dion was the problem, not the carbon tax. After all, the Conservatives didn't win a majority despite the Liberals having the most unpopular leader in recent history. If average Canadians truly disliked the carbon tax, they'd have lined up on mass to vote against it. That didn't happen... ergo...

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RCO





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PostPosted: Mon Apr 13, 2009 8:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mac wrote:
The Liberals could legitimately argue that Stephane Dion was the problem, not the carbon tax. After all, the Conservatives didn't win a majority despite the Liberals having the most unpopular leader in recent history. If average Canadians truly disliked the carbon tax, they'd have lined up on mass to vote against it. That didn't happen... ergo...

-Mac



as odd is this may sound , it could also be argued that some canadians didn't think the liberal plan went far enough and actually wanted a stronger more painful carbon tax , mean if you put into account all the people who voted for the green party and some urban ndp voters , as well is some bloc quebecois voters . the green party supporters actually wanted more stronger environmental policy then what the liberals wanted to do .

but in the ridings that decide the government ( like say a swing riding like newmarket aurora or peterborough ) the carbon tax plan was a vote loser thats where it killed the liberal chances . but some canadians actually wanted a more painful carbon tax plan or they didn't bother to read the green's platform before voting for them .
Rusty Bedsprings





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PostPosted: Mon Apr 13, 2009 8:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mac wrote:
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The Liberals could legitimately argue that Stephane Dion was the problem, not the carbon tax. After all, the Conservatives didn't win a majority despite the Liberals having the most unpopular leader in recent history. If average Canadians truly disliked the carbon tax, they'd have lined up on mass to vote against it. That didn't happen... ergo...


What about Nunavut? Also I bet a lot of liberals just voted Dion because they knew he would loose even if they did.
Rusty Bedsprings





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PostPosted: Mon Apr 13, 2009 8:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

rco wotoE:
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as odd is this may sound , it could also be argued that some canadians didn't think the liberal plan went far enough and actually wanted a stronger more painful carbon tax , mean if you put into account all the people who voted for the green party and some urban ndp voters , as well is some bloc quebecois voters . the green party supporters actually wanted more stronger environmental policy then what the liberals wanted to do .


Humm... Well lets think of groups of people who would out right oppose a carbon tax (excluding smart people :wink: ) People up north, Old people, truck drivers, who elce?
DavidK





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PostPosted: Mon Apr 13, 2009 10:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SFrank85 wrote:
I still think he secretly supports it. He knows it is unpopular, he will not run on it, but if he gets elected, BANG! Carbon Tax!


Oh, you mean like Dalton??? - Gee that's s surprise!
Zephyr





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PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 10:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

With regards to the Liberal plan to reconsider the carbon tax policy , the Conservative blogosphere has been almost universally negative in its reaction. In contrast, I was actually impressed by the Liberal willingness to consider the tax again. One of my long-standing problems with the Liberals has been the sense that the party is without any principles beyond the accumulation of power. The fact that there is a group willing to reconsider an unpopular tax is a sign that at least some Liberals have concerns which override electoral advantage. Whether the resulting tax is good public policy, however, is another matter entirely.
FF_Canuck





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PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 11:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not convinced that the Carbon Tax is about principle, as much as it is a way to increase the revenues 'lost' when the CPC cut the GST down to 5%. Free universal day care won't pay for itself, you know.
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