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should provincial party go by name of
conservative party of ontario
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progressive conservative party of ontario
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RCO





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PostPosted: Sun Mar 22, 2009 1:00 pm    Post subject: conservative party of ontario instead of progressive Reply with quote

Was thinking about this one and have though about the idea for a while . the provincially party is still called the " progresive conservative party of ontario " or ontario pc party by some . i still like the name ontario pc party but not that into calling it the progressive conservative party .
since the merger the federal party has been known as the " conservative party of canada "
The idea isn't exactly new i do remember flaherty being interested in going by conservative party of ontario during the last leadership race if i remember correctly .
not sure what any of the current potential leadership candidates have to say on this idea yet .

so poll question is should provincial party go by

- Conservative party of Ontario or

- Progressive conservative party of Ontario


and what might be some advantages and disadvantages of each name ?
Mac





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PostPosted: Sun Mar 22, 2009 8:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One advantage would be the opportunity to put some distance between the party and John Tory's ill-fated pledge to put the "progressive" back in the PCPO...

One disadvantage would be the necessity for new business cards for MLAs...

-Mac
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 22, 2009 9:45 pm    Post subject: Re: conservative party of ontario instead of progressive Reply with quote

"Progressive" should never be used in conjunction with conservative values.

The political terminology "progressive" is connected to the socialist movement. So unless there are conservatives that like socialism (which there shouldn't be, otherwise they wouldn't be conservative) I don't see why how the heck it can be justified.

"progressivism" is everything we should be against.

RCO wrote:
Was thinking about this one and have though about the idea for a while . the provincially party is still called the " progresive conservative party of ontario " or ontario pc party by some . i still like the name ontario pc party but not that into calling it the progressive conservative party .
since the merger the federal party has been known as the " conservative party of canada "
The idea isn't exactly new i do remember flaherty being interested in going by conservative party of ontario during the last leadership race if i remember correctly .
not sure what any of the current potential leadership candidates have to say on this idea yet .

so poll question is should provincial party go by

- Conservative party of Ontario or

- Progressive conservative party of Ontario


and what might be some advantages and disadvantages of each name ?
Libertas





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PostPosted: Sun Mar 22, 2009 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Progressive Conservative is an oxymoron, the name was made for the sole reason of getting the Progressive Premier of Manitoba to run for the Conservatives. They should revert to just being the Conservative Party of Ontario.

I'm sure some people will say this is the death of the "Red Tory" faction in the PC's. The only problem is that Red Tories were never progressive, if you look at the actual ideology of Red Tories it would be socially conservative [pro-life, pro-family, supportive of traditional values and the Church] along with a strong tendency towards economic nationalism and a commitment to national sovereignty. I'm not even sure if a Red Tory movement even exists since it's been bastardized to mean "socially liberal, fiscally conservative."
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 2:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Libertas wrote:
Progressive Conservative is an oxymoron, the name was made for the sole reason of getting the Progressive Premier of Manitoba to run for the Conservatives. They should revert to just being the Conservative Party of Ontario.
Part of the larger trend of everyone and their dog endorsing 'economic Planning' in the interwar years, too. As others have said, it's roots from socialism are a plain fact of history.
Libertas wrote:
I'm sure some people will say this is the death of the "Red Tory" faction in the PC's. The only problem is that Red Tories were never progressive, if you look at the actual ideology of Red Tories it would be socially conservative [pro-life, pro-family, supportive of traditional values and the Church] along with a strong tendency towards economic nationalism and a commitment to national sovereignty. I'm not even sure if a Red Tory movement even exists since it's been bastardized to mean "socially liberal, fiscally conservative."
Not just bastardized, but totally reversed! From socially conservative and fiscally moderate, to fiscally conservative and socially moderate. Mind you, the philosophy on the proper role of government is roughly the same...
RCO





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PostPosted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 9:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

not sure how the idea would go over with the public but considering the federal party has allready done the same it might be an easier sell .
but the word progressive seems to have gotten old , where is the term conservative seems to have found new life . like don't or rarely see the word progressive used to describe anyones political views anymore .

not sure what the various leadership candidates thoughs are on such an idea or what the 24 current mpp's think either . but i think its definity an idea to consider if nothing else .
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 10:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The term progressive has been hijacked by the left to make themselves look like the party that advocates progression of society, & openess to new ideals. Conservatism has been too often associated with status-quo. However any party that advocates big government, adds laws to silence free speech is not a progressive party, & consider the choices availiable today no party is truly progressive. One way or another there are elements in every party that want to retain the status-quo.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 10:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hasdrubal wrote:
The term progressive has been hijacked by the left to make themselves look like the party that advocates progression of society, & openess to new ideals. Conservatism has been too often associated with status-quo. However any party that advocates big government, adds laws to silence free speech is not a progressive party, & consider the choices availiable today no party is truly progressive. One way or another there are elements in every party that want to retain the status-quo.

Exactly... The most bizarre part about so-called "progressives" is their concept of what represents progress...

-Mac
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 11:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Progressive is so, so... 1960's
RCO





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PostPosted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 1:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hasdrubal wrote:
The term progressive has been hijacked by the left to make themselves look like the party that advocates progression of society, & openess to new ideals. Conservatism has been too often associated with status-quo. However any party that advocates big government, adds laws to silence free speech is not a progressive party, & consider the choices availiable today no party is truly progressive. One way or another there are elements in every party that want to retain the status-quo.


for sure it has been used by the left , look to the coalition or last election where the term " progressive " was used to describe the lefts desire for a more progressive prime minister . not sure what would of been progressive about stephane dion but anyways it has been used by them . more than it has by the conservatives in recent years .
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 1:46 pm    Post subject: Republican party of Ontario Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 10:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I personally like Conservative Party of Ontario. “Progressive” and Conservative” should never be used in the same name length. It screams identity crisis. I know Progressive had a different meaning in 1943 than it does today, but it does need to go!
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