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 Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 1:37 pm Post subject: |
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The last leadership race was literally PV VS Reform/CA. I couldn't get worse than that.
If we survived that we'll survive the next one. |
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| Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 2:45 pm Post subject: |
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| If Jim Prentice can speak a least bit of French, I'd support him. He is a bit moderate but he's still farther to the right than the likes of Charest. Prentice is calm, cool, pragmatic--everything Canadians like. The reason why Iggy has gotten some positive response from the MSM is because of his calm, pragmatic demeanor. Jim Prentice may be boring but everyone in the MSM agrees that he is the most able of Harper's ministers and with Environment Minister negotiating for a North American Cap and Trade system under his belt, he'd be attractive to some Liberals as well. Let's face it, unless the Liberals have a scandal, a far-to-the-right wouldn't be able to overcome the Canadian left media. A PC-like leader may be a way of pushing our far-to-the-right party making an overall good rightwing government. |
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ezbeatz
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| Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 3:00 pm Post subject: |
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| 905 Tory wrote: | | If Jim Prentice can speak a least bit of French, I'd support him. He is a bit moderate but he's still farther to the right than the likes of Charest. |
Charest? A Quebec Liberal who screwed over the CPC in the last election ZERO chance of becoming a leader of that party. He might actually make a worthy foe if he were leader of the LPC.
| Quote: | | Jim Prentice may be boring but everyone in the MSM agrees that he is the most able of Harper's ministers |
The MSM loves boring conservatives. ie. John Tory types. Don't get me wrong. I'm sure Prentice is a swell guy but he's got the charisma of a wet noodle.
If PM Harper had to step down I'd want Kenney to replace him. |
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| Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 3:51 pm Post subject: |
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| ezbeatz wrote: |
The MSM loves boring conservatives. ie. John Tory types. Don't get me wrong. I'm sure Prentice is a swell guy but he's got the charisma of a wet noodle.
If PM Harper had to step down I'd want Kenney to replace him. |
I actually think Kenney is a good minister but he's been more in the press than Harper himself. I don't think that some of the things that he has said would go over well in an election: i.e. only English and French speakers can come to Canada. I understand some agree with that but I don't. When my great grandparents came from Europe in 1937, they only knew Polish. They eventually went on to open a small business in downtown T.O. employing 20 people. |
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| Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 4:31 pm Post subject: |
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| 905 Tory wrote: | | ezbeatz wrote: |
The MSM loves boring conservatives. ie. John Tory types. Don't get me wrong. I'm sure Prentice is a swell guy but he's got the charisma of a wet noodle.
If PM Harper had to step down I'd want Kenney to replace him. |
I actually think Kenney is a good minister but he's been more in the press than Harper himself. I don't think that some of the things that he has said would go over well in an election: i.e. only English and French speakers can come to Canada. I understand some agree with that but I don't. When my great grandparents came from Europe in 1937, they only knew Polish. They eventually went on to open a small business in downtown T.O. employing 20 people. |
Whew - which media outlet are you planning to write for?
Kenny stated that people must be proficient in one of the official languages to be granted citizenship, not to be able to immigrate. There is a major difference. |
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Mac
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| Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 4:36 pm Post subject: |
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| cbasu wrote: | You mean like this guy, writing in the Ottawa Sun today?
Seriously though, if Harper wins a majority (or if the Blue Jays win the World Series, whichever comes first), he -- Harper -- will put all the Harper-haters to rest. Personally, by using a baseball bat  |
If you want a real challenge, try to find an opinion piece by Greg Weston that isn't anti-Harper. While you're at it, keep an eye open for Jimmy Hoffa and the Holy Grail.
By the way, in case you'd forgotten, the Blue Jays won the World Series twice... back to back, in 1992 & 1993. PMSH might surprise you yet.
-Mac |
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ezbeatz
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| Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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| 905 Tory wrote: | | I actually think Kenney is a good minister but he's been more in the press than Harper himself. I don't think that some of the things that he has said would go over well in an election: i.e. only English and French speakers can come to Canada. I understand some agree with that but I don't. When my great grandparents came from Europe in 1937, they only knew Polish. They eventually went on to open a small business in downtown T.O. employing 20 people. |
Kenney said only those who could speak English or French should become Canadian citizens. Although, considering we're a 1st world nation I don't see how saying you should have English and French as a pre-requisite is a bad thing. How are you suppose to work, go to school, survive if you can't talk to anyone in that country. |
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FF_Canuck
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Indeed, ezbeatz. And everything I've seen in the media, and from Kenney himself, indicates that his message of a greater emphasis on the need for integration is being very well recieved among various immigrant communities. The work he's doing now will pay huge dividends for Canada in the future.
Edit: As for Prentice, I can only say anecdotally that he is percieved to be a Red Tory (in the classical sense) by the vast majority of party members I know. I would go so far as to say the only way he will garner significant support in Alberta (outside of his riding, of course) is if, in this hypothetical race of the far-flung future, other forerunning Candidates are even redder.
I really think we've reached the point where ideology is stronger than region, at least to the point that the two are seperable. |
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| Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 10:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Harper is the glue keeping the party together. If he goes we are going to have some serious trouble. We are a party comprised of various parties, the united right if you will. Like every side of the spectrum we have differing views. Our spectrum however is all within our party whereas the left has the Liberals, NDP, and arguably the Bloc. If we are going to keep the party together we are going to need Harper, or at the least some with his skills. I really hope he does not go or is overthrown. |
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FF_Canuck
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| Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 10:26 pm Post subject: |
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| SmartCon wrote: | | Harper is the glue keeping the party together. If he goes we are going to have some serious trouble. We are a party comprised of various parties, the united right if you will. Like every side of the spectrum we have differing views. Our spectrum however is all within our party whereas the left has the Liberals, NDP, and arguably the Bloc. If we are going to keep the party together we are going to need Harper, or at the least some with his skills. I really hope he does not go or is overthrown. |
Agreed, and I don't think there's a meaningful movement to oust or replace him. Harper's got at least one more election in him. And, since I rudely forgot to do earlier;
Welcome to the forums! |
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| Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 8:34 am Post subject: |
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| FF_Canuck wrote: | | Agreed, and I don't think there's a meaningful movement to oust or replace him. Harper's got at least one more election in him. |
Yes, but if there are more polls like this one today from Leger, then it's going to become increasingly uncomfortable (for both Harper and Layton).
From the Le Devoir/Leger poll:
National: Con 34, Lib 35, NDP 14, MOE 2.5.
Ontario: Con 35, Lib 45, NDP 12, MOE 4.
Quebec: Con 12, Lib 33, NDP 10, Bloc 42, MOE 5.
Want election today? Yes 35, No 48.
Satisfaction with government economic actions? Satisfied 40 (very 6), Not satisfied 48.
Confidence in leaders' ability to deal with economic crisis? Harper 32, Ignatieff 41. |
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| Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 1:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Duceppe, Layton and Ignatieff all have plans to overthrow Harper. Harper is a key player at the G-20 summit tomorrow and a mediator at the NATO meeting later in the week. He has put Canada back on the international map and will start the stimulus cash flowing on Wednesday. The three stooges are trying to get some licks in prior to the wave of funding announcements that will mark April as Harper's month. We don't need to join in the media frenzy. |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 5:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Chantal Hebert thinks in this blog post that Saskatchewan Premier Brad Wall is the new Jean Charest. It appears that she was at a Toronto policy forum where the talk, besides being about the upcoming Ont PC leadership race, also involved Stephen Harper. It appears that Brad Wall impressed everybody, or at least Ms Hebert. |
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ezbeatz
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| cbasu wrote: | | Chantal Hebert thinks in this blog post that Saskatchewan Premier Brad Wall is the new Jean Charest. It appears that she was at a Toronto policy forum where the talk, besides being about the upcoming Ont PC leadership race, also involved Stephen Harper. It appears that Brad Wall impressed everybody, or at least Ms Hebert. |
What does being the "new Jean Charest" mean? I think Brad Wall is more than Jean Charest. For one thing, he has honor, dignity and is a conservative. If I'm not mistaken, the whole point of Brad Wall being in Toronto was to recruit Ontarians to Saskatchewan.
Maybe it hasn't yet dawned on Ms. Hebert that Brad Wall has only been Premier for oh about a year. You'd think it was a little presumptuous to think he was going to become Prime Minister. |
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SFrank85
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| Maybe several years down the road! |
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