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SFrank85
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| WestViking wrote: | | The pertinent question is how large is the increase in Quebec CPC memberships. Only CPC members get to vote on party leadership. |
But we have a system where each riding in the country is worth 100 points, no matter how many members are in the riding. Calgary Southwest could have 14,000 members, while Outremont could have 1, and both ridings would be weighed equal. |
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| Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 10:14 pm Post subject: |
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Harper is going nowhere, and no-one is challenging Harper for the foreseeable months. Speculation by people with too much time and too little chance of winning an election.
If we started chasing every rumor about leadership challenges we'd have permanent chaos. Which is exactly where the left wants us.
Issue dismissed in my books. |
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ezbeatz
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| Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 10:18 pm Post subject: |
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| This reminds me of the Jim Prentice rumors back in the fall. |
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Craig
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| Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 10:19 pm Post subject: |
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| After New Brunswick's last budget I'd rather have the current Liberal leader of New Brunswick run our party than Berny Lord. |
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ezbeatz
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| Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 10:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Craig wrote: | | After New Brunswick's last budget I'd rather have the current Liberal leader of New Brunswick run our party than Berny Lord. |
Definitely. That guys a real fiscal conservative. I don't know where he stands on other issues but he's good in my books so far. How'd he end up in the liberal party?  |
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| Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 10:28 pm Post subject: |
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| 1993 and a divided Right, i'd bet my money on that. |
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SFrank85
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| Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 10:32 pm Post subject: |
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| lucamanfredi wrote: | | 1993 and a divided Right, i'd bet my money on that. |
I don’t think we are anywhere near that! The Liberals were and still are much closer to a split than the Conservatives are at the moment. |
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DavidK
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| Posted: Fri Mar 20, 2009 10:56 pm Post subject: |
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| SFrank85 wrote: | | lucamanfredi wrote: | | 1993 and a divided Right, i'd bet my money on that. |
I don’t think we are anywhere near that! The Liberals were and still are much closer to a split than the Conservatives are at the moment. |
Yeah really. They were still healing from Dion being such an idiot from the last election, then the Coalition BS and now they have to deal with having an unelected person in the party’s top job. The LPC has a lot to fix before they can hope to put up a real fight. |
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teabag
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I think what we need is another Prime Minister from Quebec. That wouldn't exactly be a novelty. In all truth isn't nice to see someone from the west become Prime Minister.
Do you ever think that these rumours are yet another attempt to discredit Stephen Harper? I really don't understand the animosity directed at the man. Seems to me if you are an outspoken straight shooting leader and not a suck up the Liberal Party really hates you. So much for treating the Prime Minister with respect. |
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JDot
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| lucamanfredi wrote: | | 1993 and a divided Right, i'd bet my money on that. |
LMAO, it is 2009 get a grip,it is a different world now...  |
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John Larocque
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Mulroney may understand Quebec voters and how to win Quebec, but he's damaged goods. I briefly left the party in the early 1990s and actually moonlighted as a right wing Liberals (at the time, I was anti-Meech Lake, anti-GST and pro free trade) but came around right toward the end when the party went to Jonestown and imbibed the Kim Campbell kool-aid. Why am I bringing up Brian? He's the one who has been agitating to replace Harper behind the scenes. That Harper wouldn't rehabilitate him, once the Schreiber stuff bubbled forth to the surface again. And Harper did the absolute right thing by freezing him out.
Philosophically, I'm more PC then Reform, and I happily voted for the PC's in 1988 and throughout the 1990s, but frankly, the party is better off with Harper. Yes, he knows how to be "incrementalist" and govern from the center, but in his gut, Harper does have a Conservative radar. I may feel differently a year or two from now, but Harper is really the best there is out there. Quebec may have parted ways with the Conservatives, but the Mulroney approach IMHO is twenty years out of date, and frankly, the Bloc threatens both federal parties.
I don't think either the Liberals or the Conservatives are going to be the natural successor if the Bloc collapses, so what you do is hold on to what you have you've got, keep hammering away on policy and competence and try to pick up seats elsewhere. |
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| WestViking wrote: | | I think its hard to pick a leader because Harper does not let stars emerge. The Liberals were always successful by having powerful ministers. Mulroney was too. People in Newfoundland voted for John Crosbie or Brian Tobin as much as they did for the party or the leader. For the good of the party, Harper should be giving his ministers more exposure. |
Sure - no one knows who Flaherty, Prentice, Baird, MacKay, Day, Towes, Strahl, or Nicolson are just to name a few familiar faces.[/quote]
The general public is not as aware of those names as they were of the Liberal or Mulroney cabinets. Mackay and Day maybe. |
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Troy Heibein
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I have also heard mumblings about Fmr. NB Premier Bernard Lord mulling a shot at the leadership should Harper lose or have another majority after the next election.
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ezbeatz
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| fiscalconservative wrote: | | Quote: | | Sure - no one knows who Flaherty, Prentice, Baird, MacKay, Day, Towes, Strahl, or Nicolson are just to name a few familiar faces. |
The general public is not as aware of those names as they were of the Liberal or Mulroney cabinets. Mackay and Day maybe. |
I disagree. Flaherty is just as well known now as Harper. Clement, Prentice, MacKay, and Day are also very well known. |
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SFrank85
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| I highly doubt that Mulroney is behind the scenes planning the demise of Stephen Harper. That is very un-Mulroney like for him to do that. Mulroney’s problem is he trusts too many people in the political world. |
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