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Who will be the Republican nominee for President in '08
George Allen
2%
 2%  [ 1 ]
Sam Brownback
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
Bill Frist
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
Newt Gingrich
16%
 16%  [ 6 ]
Rudy Giuliani
50%
 50%  [ 18 ]
Chuck Hagel
2%
 2%  [ 1 ]
John H. Cox
0%
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John McCain
27%
 27%  [ 10 ]
George Pataki
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 2:30 pm    Post subject: Who for the GOP in 08? Reply with quote

Tell us who you think will take the GOP nom for POTUS in 08
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I don't think George Allen will get it. If he is not a racist, he sure talks and acts like one enough to scare the hell out of minority voters. At this point, there may be some support from the ultrapartisan clowns and some generous friends and supporters, and I don't see what he brings to either side of the ticket compared to many others. If a Virginian gets on the ballot from either party, I think it is more likely to be Mark Warner.

My guess is that Cheney will retire/die by Spring 2007, and will be replaced by the likely 2008 candidate. I think that the Party leadership will probably develop a two-level strategy to exploit the enthusiasm for power among Senators, Governors, etc. by having them compete to demonstrate organizing power while keeping the bottom half of the ballot open. Then almost all of the obvious picks will be pushed aside for a VP picked solely for "freshness." Probably a young neoliberal who has almost no paper trail. They have no need for beating the "experience" dead horse with a crusty old military-industrial complex curmudgeon if the Presidential candidate is a survivor out of Bush's Cabinet like Rice. Plus they saw in 1992 how bad it could backfire when "experience" became "old, obsolete, boring, tired" in the minds of a lot of people.

Rice seems one of the most likely to take Cheney's place over the next year, and the (meaningless in themselves) rumours seem to back that. But she is unmarried, has no kids, and has a number of "character" strikes against her when it comes to the more dishwashing-liquid saleship side of politics. Most of the rest of the "field" are unpopular living-stereotypes of conservatives who have strong support within their niche and almost zero recognition outside of the beltway or convention circuit, though, so it may well be Rice who gets it. She may also secretly have the same fear that had Colin Powell's wife horrified, that she would be the first dead black President. So I'd say it is too early to know. We'll have to wait until after the midterms, anyways, before these things start to shake out.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 9:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm somewhat out of my depth on this, but I'd agree that Rice is the likely candidate to replace Cheney. That being said, I think she'll run for VP, with Giuliani (sp?) running for POTUS. It'd be a powerful ticket for the Republicans, I think. The further left and dovish the Dems ticket is, the likely this Republican ticket could win.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 10:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Right now, a big favorite among Republicans is someone whose not even on the list right now: Mitt Romney, governor of Massachusetts. I don't think he'll be able to win the nomination in part because he's a Mormon, which I think it kind of stupid. I don't know enough about his politics to say whether he would be a good president, but I think this ticket will have a much more moderate bent to it as there currently is no hard-right leader of the pack. As for those on the list, Guliani would win hands down. McCain is old news, and no one else has the recognition with the public and with the Party. I wish Colin Powell or Condi would run, but we'll just have to wait and see.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 11:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

On Rice for VP, Chris Rock has an old joke about this (that it is Rock should be sufficient warning for its content, but I'll warn again for those sensitive hearts):
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Now as you know, there's been alot of talk about a black vice president. And I just wanna tell the world that it'll never happen. As long as you live you will never see a black vice president, you know why? Because some black guy would just kill the president. I'd do it. If Colin Powell was vice president, I'd kill the president and tell his mother about it. What would happen to me? What would they do? Put me in jail with a bunch of black guys that would treat me like a king for the rest of my life? I would be the biggest star in jail, alright, people would be coming up to me and I'd be signing autographs: "97-KY, here you go." Guys would be going: "You're the brother that shot Bush. And you told his mother about it huh? I hope my children turn out to be just like you, Man, you know I was getting ready to rape you until I realized who you were. And even if they had a death penalty, what would happen? I'd just be pardoned by the black president.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 1:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah the Grand Old Party. Unless he is caught eating kittens with scaly hands :wink: I think it has to be Rudy.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 6:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote=Donald Hughes]I don't think George Allen will get it. If he is not a racist, he sure talks and acts like one enough to scare the hell out of minority voters.[/quote]

YouTube took care of him. He won't ever be able to find enough supporters for the presidency after the "macaca" fiasco.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 11:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote



US Senator George F. Allen (Virginia)

STATUS: POSSIBLE CANDIDATE. According to National Journal's Hotline, the DC political insiders peg US Senator George Allen as the current favorite to win '08 GOP nomination for President. Serving as the party's NRSC Chair for the 2004 election cycle, Allen helped accumulate a stack of favors owed to him -- and helped the Republicans gain seats in the US Senate. He's already formed a federal "Leadership PAC" (Good Government for America Committee) and is hiring a team of top rated political pros. But, before Allen can focus on the White House race, he must first win re-election in 2006. As outgoing Governor Mark Warner (D) -- another potential P2008 hopeful -- has already passed on the '06 contest, Allen should be safe to concentrate on a Presidential run.

My second choice would be -



Governor W. Mitt Romney (Massachusetts)

STATUS: POSSIBLE CANDIDATE. Wealthy venture capitalist Mitt Romney ran a respectable, losing campaign against US Senator Ted Kennedy (D-MA) in 1994, but he first appeared on the national radar when he "saved" the 2002 Salt Lake Winter Olympics. The SLC Olympic committee was mired in a bribery scandal when they brought in Romney in 1999 to clean-up the problems and get the games back on track. The SLC games came off flawlessly, and Romney was given much of the credit. Within a month after the close of the '02 Olympics, a "Draft Romney" campaign for Massachusetts Governor appeared. Bay State Republicans worried that incumbent Governor Jane Swift (R) was too weak to hold the seat, so she was successfully pressured to quit the race. With Swift out of the picture, Romney jumped in. In an upset, Romney won a narrow victory in that liberal state. Once in office, it quickly became clear that Romney was interested in a White House run. He began to give speeches across the nation, and took other steps to raise his profile. He backed away from his 1994 moderate pro-choice views on abortion, and now classifies himself as solidly pro-life. When the Massachusetts Supreme Court legalized same-sex marriage in 2004, Romney quickly became a vocal opponent. He pushed a state constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage, and appeared in 2005 to even back away from the compromise of allowing civil unions that he formerly suggested. During 2004-05, he continued to take increasingly conservative stands on social issues -- a move that foreshadowed he was preparing for a White House run instead of a re-election race in his liberal homestate. His views boosted him with social conservatives in battleground states but caused his poll numbers to crash in Massachusetts. As expected, Romney announced in December 2005 he would not seek a second term as Governor in 2006. Romney is a Mormom and one big unknown is how that will play with Religious Right activists -- an influential group in GOP primaries -- as some Protestant fundamentalists openly refer to the Mormons as a cult. Romney's late father -- former auto industry executive, three-term Michigan Governor and US Housing Secretary George W. Romney (R-MI) -- was an early frontrunner for the 1968 Presidential nomination until some gaffes derailed his run
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As much as I like Rudy, he'll never be the GOP nominee. He is essentially a Democrat on social issues like abortion, gay marriage & gun control. I believe Republicans would vote for a moderate Republican in the mold of the fictional Arnold Vinick, someone who is supportive of Roe V Wade by wants limits on things like partial birth abortion, but not Rudy.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 1:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My money is on Newt Gingrich.

Giuliani is too liberal socially he'll never win the primary, same with McCain.

Mitt Romney and George Allen are unknowns except in their respective states.

Lastly Condoleeza Rice is not going to run.

Newt Gingrich has name recognition, is very good orator and is exceptionally articulate. Plus he knows Hillary and how she works, and will put together a team of all-stars to beat her in the general election.

My second choice would be Fred Thompson but i don't think he is even thinking of running.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 9:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As much as i like Gingrich, he's essentially the GOP's hillary: extremely popular within the party ranks but is an unpopular figure w/ the majority of Americans. He's unelectable
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 9:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Spencenator-

Why Fred Thompson? I find that a very interesting second choice. I don't even think most Tennesseans remember that he was their Senator only a short time ago.

As for the nominee, it will be McCain or Guiliani if the conservative base's votes are split. Otherwise, it's anyone's guess. I think McCain is more likely than Guiliani, but it depends mainly on how big the field is.

It won't be George Allen, not just because of macacagate, but because of a lack of recognition, and also because his campaign does stupid stuff like have an "ethnic night" in which he gives sponsorship levels names that seem to have been taken from the Taco Bell value menu ("El Ranchero Grande" being one of them). And it won't be Frist because he is viewed by too many as being completely incompetent.

I must admit, I'm not enthused about any of the options.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 12:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My guess is that someone will get a big boost shortly after the midterm elections this fall. My guess is that Cheney will retire after that, and someone will step into the VPs office, and get that boost from it.

Remember this: It's been a long time (1952 - and there were only 48 stars on the flag then!!!) since there has been a presidential election in the US where neither the sitting President or Vice President has been on the ticket.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 8:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AmericanTory wrote:
Spencenator-

Why Fred Thompson? I find that a very interesting second choice. I don't even think most Tennesseans remember that he was their Senator only a short time ago.

As for the nominee, it will be McCain or Guiliani if the conservative base's votes are split. Otherwise, it's anyone's guess. I think McCain is more likely than Guiliani, but it depends mainly on how big the field is.

It won't be George Allen, not just because of macacagate, but because of a lack of recognition, and also because his campaign does stupid stuff like have an "ethnic night" in which he gives sponsorship levels names that seem to have been taken from the Taco Bell value menu ("El Ranchero Grande" being one of them). And it won't be Frist because he is viewed by too many as being completely incompetent.

I must admit, I'm not enthused about any of the options.


I like Fred Thompson, and i am not even from Tennessee. What i like the most is that he is conservative through and through, he has a commanding presence that reminds me of Reagan. He is also very articulate and a great speaker. I think he would make an excellent President but unfortunately he most likely will not run.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

McGuire wrote:
As much as i like Gingrich, he's essentially the GOP's hillary: extremely popular within the party ranks but is an unpopular figure w/ the majority of Americans. He's unelectable


You might be right to a certain degree. However i believe that the base that will be voting in the primary are going to go conservative, especially if Hillary is the front runner for the Democrats. Romney is a mormon, Guiliani and McCain are rino's, Condi is not going to run, and none knows Allen. Which leaves for me Newt Gingrich. Then in the election of 2008 there is no way that Hillary is going to get elected as the first woman president. It just isn't going to happen, which will give the election to Newt Gingrich. This is of course my own personal look into the future.
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