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RCO





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PostPosted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 7:14 pm    Post subject: what can the ontario pc party do to become electable again Reply with quote

Well i'm from ontario and a big follower of politics here , in recent years unfortuently our provincial politics scene has deteriorated and ontario liberals run the legislature like they own the place . plus the media is heavily on dalton mcguintys side so that doesn't help .

So my question is what exactly can the ontario pc party do to become electable again and relevent during the time we have between the next election ?

Some of this might be decided soon depending on what happens in haliburton kawartha lakes brock and if tory gets a seat or not . but even if he gets a seat there still a huge uphill climb to go before anything gets accompolished here . if he doesn't get a seat then who knows what is next .

The party also faces other challenges such as rapidly changing demographics in key suburban ridings around toronto where they were once successful but now much less ( such as brampton , mississauga , markham etc ) . if the liberals continue to hold the ethnic vote there any breakthru is less likely than it was in previous years .

But overall i think that ontario desperately needs an alternative to the mcguinty liberals to emerge sooner rather than later , or before the province is totally ruined .
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1- Get a new leader

2- Develop a platform based on solid economic principles

3- Get a new leader

4- Present effective opposition daily until the next election

5- Get a new leader

6- Capture the people's minds and hearts; inspire us!!

Oh, and it might help to get a new leader.

-Mac
RCO





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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 8:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been thinking that regardlessly of who is leader the provincial party desperatly needs a new media and communications strategy . as to what that should consist of exactly i'm not sure but the party has to find a better way of geting its message out there . as its currently not doing so and the liberal friendly toronto media cannot be expected to do it for us .
so finding a better way to get the message out there might be a good first start .
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 10:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

what can the ontario pc party do to become electable again

Get rid of John Tory. He's damaged goods.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 10:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No matter who leads the conservative party in Ontario, the media will always be against them. The Toronto Star endorsed John Tory for the PC leadership, because he was the least conservative - that should have been a big hint NOT to vote for him as leader.
John Tory, turned his back on Mike Harris's excellent record that gave the PC Party 2 back to back majorities.
Find a leader that believes in conservative principles, and isn't affraid to be a cheerleader for them. Speak directly to Ontarians, and don't treat them like special interest groups.
Have a leader that tells Ontarians what the party believes in, and stop claiming to speak for all Ontarians. No politician can speak for everyone, Ontario is not China where you can have only one political affiliation.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 10:50 pm    Post subject: Re: what can the ontario pc party do to become electable aga Reply with quote

RCO wrote:
So my question is what exactly can the ontario pc party do to become electable again and relevent during the time we have between the next election?


Obviously, get rid of John Tory. I and many others have already said that. It's not just that he grabbed defeat from the jaws of victory in the last election. He was also the Federal PC campaign strategist in 1993 (re: two seat defeat), he lost to David Miller in Toronto for mayor, he lost as a provincial candidate in 2007 when he arrogantly decided to run against a cabinet minister, and he hasn't listen to his party or its member and stepped down even after being a seat less leader of the opposition for 18 months. And I haven't even mentioned the religious school funding.

After they get rid of Tory, they have to change the OPC's constitution because this sort of thing can't be allowed to happen again. I would like to see any votes on leadership be done not by MPP's or delegates but by members of the OPC party. Give every member a login and pswd and allow them to vote online form anywhere in Ontario. That way the political leadership would have to listen to the grassroots.

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Some of this might be decided soon depending on what happens in haliburton kawartha lakes brock and if tory gets a seat or not . but even if he gets a seat there still a huge uphill climb to go before anything gets accompolished here . if he doesn't get a seat then who knows what is next.


Let's say he gets a seat and stays on for the next election. Then what? He's done as bad a job if not worse running the party since the 2007 defeat as he did during the campaign. I still don't know where he stands on a lot of issues or what his policies are. He's like an empty suit.

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The party also faces other challenges such as rapidly changing demographics in key suburban ridings around toronto where they were once successful but now much less ( such as brampton , mississauga , markham etc ) . if the liberals continue to hold the ethnic vote there any breakthru is less likely than it was in previous years.


The CPC got 39% of the vote and 49% of the seats in 2008. The OPC can do the same but they have to change. Still, Ontario is 83% white. The battle is no doubt going to be in small cities and suburbs which means you have to aim policies towards the middle class and families to win.

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But overall i think that ontario desperately needs an alternative to the mcguinty liberals to emerge sooner rather than later , or before the province is totally ruined .


Here are some ideas for the next election.

Transportation
-Eliminate the 15 cent excise tax on gasoline. Should be a big sell in the suburbs and small cities where everybody drives. Would save the average family about $400-500 a year.

Education
-$2,500 voucher for any child attending an accredited private elementary or secondary school.

Spending
-Reduce government spending by 10%

Tax
-Simply the tax code
-Reduce Income tax to two brackets.
-Raise personal exemption to $12,000
-Income splitting
-Lower Corporate tax to 7% from 14%
-Eliminate capital gains tax

Debt Paydown
-Legislate that half of the PST goes towards paying down the debt
-Make it law that the government has to balance the budget

Democracy
-Look into having police chiefs, senators, and judges elected.
-Stop the nanny state
FF_Canuck





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PostPosted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 12:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ezbeatz wrote:
Make it law that the government has to balance the budget...

Sadly, our Finance Minister in Alberta has quietly admitted that they will be rewriting our version of the same law - we'll likely avoid a defecit in 2009, but not in 2010. We could, but they don't want to :x

As for the success of the PC Party, the Tory problem is obvious. Beyond that, they need a push for reformation from the grass roots. IMO, they missed a golden opportunity to do so with their most recent convention.

Riding associations need to be aggressive in choosing actual conservative candidates and voiceiferously resisting top-down management attempts from the party. Clean house in the party's internal positions - elect new directors.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 6:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Make it law that the government has to balance the budget...


It was law until McGuinty removed it...though he kept the law forcing hospitals and school to have balanced budgets.

Since Tory probably isn't leaving anytime soon here is what they need to do:

- emphasize the PC team and not the leader

- attract star candidates who would appeal to the small-c conservatives

- run on a simple small-c platform with no controversial policies

- the issue of the next election is "jobs, jobs, jobs". Nothing else. Anything else proposed ties into this. Tax cuts=jobs. Health care=jobs. Schools=jobs.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 12:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cool Blue wrote:
- the issue of the next election is "jobs, jobs, jobs". Nothing else. Anything else proposed ties into this. Tax cuts=jobs. Health care=jobs. Schools=jobs.


The next election won't be about jobs because the next election is 2 1/2 years away. The recession will be over, the economy will have already started to recover, and something else would have popped up as the main issue.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 2:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

#1. Get a new leader

#2. Have a membership driving policy development process.

#3. Drop "Progressive" from the party name.
RCO





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PostPosted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 10:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

it looks like tory will not win in his bid to get a seat in the legislature , i hope that tonight marks the begining of an improved ontario pc party not the end . the party must succeed in the future, failure in the longterm is not an option . ontario conservatives must come back together and once again become a force in this province at the provincial level .
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 11:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Even though this presents an opportunity it is nevertheless embarrassing for the party and really boosts the Liberals in Ontario, as looking stronger than ever. There really is no alternative and won't be until at least 2010 when there is some sort of process to pick a leader. There won't be a household name to push and question his actions every step of the way. Who is going to present an alternative in these times (the best opportunity to make some political gain). I hope the PCs don't fall even further into the ground, leaving for the Liberals a monopoly.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 6:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jobs will still be an issue in two years time.

The recession may be technically over by that time, however, there will still be 10's of thousands of people still smarting from layoffs.
Jason Kauppinen





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PostPosted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 6:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When a leader is incompetent, everyone who actually wants the organization in question to succeed suffers. Make no mistake, I am quite happy with the result today, and take great pleasure in the fact that the people of Haliburton-Kawartha Lakes-Brock have come to the same conclusion that I have about John Tory.

The amount of mental contortions that that man must go through in order to come to the conclusion that he's qualified to lead anything is the only amazing thing about him.
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