Joined: 10 Feb 2009
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Posted: Sat Feb 28, 2009 2:05 pm Post subject: Advice for the Greens so they can win a seat
Well Elizabeth May is back in the news again, bitchin and complain' as usual. There is a market for the non-voter, eco enthiasts, and pissed off voters. But for some reason often logic and common sense fails in political strategy.
Example: Elizabeth May choses to run against Peter MacKay in a Conservative Riding, NOT exactely bright to getting that necessary first seat. And that floor crosser doesn't really count, but a least you got to speak at the leaders debate, eh!
So my advice for the Greens:
1) Dump Elizabeth May, and quell the extremists. If they want to appeal to the center voters, they must get more moderate environmentalists, that will NOT sacrifice the economy for CO2 free Nivana. David Chernushenko should have won their leadership, heck he's practically a Conservative, he ain't NUTS.
2) Select Mike Nagy, candidate from Guelph, who got 12,000 votes in 3rd place, when the Liberals got 19,000. His credentials look fairly straight forward, and has enormous support in Guelph. If he was their leader, that district would most likely elect him, because his opponents are NOT Cabinet ministers or star Liberals.
3) Contribute to the political discuss, NOT adversarial. There are other Environmental issues, particularly water quality, practical energy efficiency methods, and fish stock growth. Get off the PETA, anti-sealers, anti-tar sand crusade. Let the NDPer's take the crazies.
Basically that is their way into the House in the next election, because we ain't getting Proporsional Representation anytime soon.
Anyone else have any suggestions to help the Greens?
Joined: 10 Feb 2009
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Posted: Sat Feb 28, 2009 2:42 pm Post subject:
I'm good now...anyone think we can get rid of John Tory and save the Ontario Provincial Conservative party from the abyss and give Dalton and his gang a work out next election?
I agree with that statement, and I maybe we'll have to start another forum on this topic, but If John Tory fails to at least make the Liberals a Minority Government in Queen's Park, and the party fails to kick him out, or replace him with someone of no greater Conservative Qualification, then the hell with the Provincial Progressive Conservatives, Reform Ontario is needed provincial (but lets wait till after 2011).
And Tory should be able to accomplish at least that because:
1. McGuinty is pissing off a lot of home owners and other Ontarians, while NOT being agressive to properly save Ontario's economy.
2. The Federal CPC has a majority of Seats in Ontario, so there should be no problem with the support from the federal netword to win more seats.
3. He has the grudging support from the party so there should be enough volunteers on the ground war.
There's a bit of advice I could give to the Greens, but I'm not sure if I should give it...
If the Greens were to go eco-conservative - if they were to position themselves just to the right of the CPC on fiscal issues - I think that they could appeal to a lot of CPC supporters that are upset with how the CPC hasn't been that conservative lately.
The Greens problem in the last election is that while there are A LOT of liberals in Canada, there's not enough to support three center-left to left parties (the Liberals, NDP, and Greens). The Greens ran a strong leftist campaign, but they couldn't win anywhere because most leftists voted Liberal or NDP.
It's on the right where the Greens are most likely to find their support, because they only have to compete with the CPC there.
1. Drop the illegal narcotics legalization platform, our cousins to the south will never approve, and get off the pot.
2. Look at the big Canadian picture, not just the view from the smelly hippies.
3. Stop spreading your party a mile wide and an inch thick, focus your resources on a the few ridings you may actually have a slight chance to win. Sure it was great to put a candidate in every riding in Canada, but the greens went for quantity not quality.
4. The election train trip was a nice idea but it isolated Lizzy from the media on a lot of the short and late stops, get a bus and charter a plane.
Posted: Sun Mar 01, 2009 6:36 am Post subject: Former leader Jim Harris built the Green Party
While May may want to take credit for the rise in Green Party votes in the last election, it was former leader Jim Harris who built the foundations for the party to improve this time.
I have talked to some past and present Green Party organizers. The best ones seem to hold small c views about the politics with environmentalism thrown in.
It is great to run candidates in all 308 ridings. Every vote is worth $1.95 for the Green Party. I do think that the Greens should focus their campaigns in a few winnable ridings next time.
Environmentalism is great if other issues are addressed. If not, then the Greens will be advocataing enviralism that takes over all other issues.
Elizabeth May will likely be the leader for the next election. She won't be able to make side-deals with Ignatieff's Liberal Party. The Greens will need to fend for themselves. This also means that May will need to support her candidates fully and not give support to candidates from other parties. It's demoralizing for Green candidates to have their leader support other party candidates.
Heh. Really though. that is exactly how many of the Greens' base think about Canadians. The really dedicated environuts are quite convinced of their mental superiority over Joe Sixpack. Common with garden variety socialists too, which is their growth constituency.
As for the larger question of their success? They should position themselves just to the right of the NDP on economics and social policy and maybe go 'mainstream' on foreign policy. Run as many candidates as possible, but pick no more than 5 or 6 truly winnable ridings to concentrate their efforts on - ridings where they finished second or third that are not held by a current cabinet minister. Elizabeth May either has to move, or they need a new leader.
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Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 6:48 pm Post subject:
not that i care if the greens win a seat or not .
but definity dump may , she is nothing but a closet liberal and totally useless and has no chance of winning central nova as long as mackay is there .
focus on a couple of possible ridings , run quality candidates there and become less worried about other more hopeless ridings .
worry less about being a national party and more about having an actual base of support somewhere . as the bloc is not a national party yet has almost 50 seats .
but realistically i doubt they will have any real seats by the next election anyways . its hopeless under may especially if she tells them again near the end to consider voting for other parties to stop conservative candidates . then the greens definity have no chance of winning a real seat .
1. Run your leader in a riding you can win in. Considering how she did against a star like Peter Harper, she might have won in a riding like Owen Sound... or maybe one in BC. This would have been especially true if the Liberals don't run against her again.
2. Target and appeal to everyone. Taxing poluters and giving tax breaks for people who lower their bills by purchasing energy effecient devices has a lot better appeal than tax everyone.
3. Proceed in small steps. People will not switch a France type lifestyle right away. But moving one step closer does not seem to hard.
4. Get rid of the fringe socialist/communists/PETA activists that hang on.
5. Find a way to appeal to non-whites. They are whiter than the old Reform party
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