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don muntean





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PostPosted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let's not be too limiting of dynamic discussions - as often - that is where interesting and peripheral issues can come out and make for good discussions - but - within reason of course.

All I said was:

...it was Providence that brought the win for the Conservatives and - we shall see it happen again.

Then I gave a short reason why - so what is wrong in that? Providence doesn't have a Hand guiding the RCMP when He wants? Humph... :wink:


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 9:20 pm    Post subject: off-topic messages Reply with quote

Admin wrote:
Instead of locking threads, I'll just start banning the perps.

Another option might be to create an OFF-TOPIC bin for all such comments.

If the software allows it, the site administrator could periodically mark comments (s)he feels are irrelevant and the software could - once or twice a day - automatically vacuum them off.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 9:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Buddy Kat wrote:
It was a little more than the rcmp that elected Harper...it was the US republicans , Canadian and US media as well as the rcmp.


WOW!!! I missed the Canadian Media being on the conservative's side... was it between them talking about the conservatives following the americans, and over-publicizing the liberals - and their battle with the PM??


And last time i checked a vast number of Canadians hate US republicans...

;)

Its also interesting how they all waited for 11 years just to bring in a slim minority government..

Smooth operators indeed.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Although there were many factors, one of the key reasons that the Conservatives had such a successful campaign is that they were able to muzzle enough of the radical and one-issue people (like the individual several posts above) that the media weren't able to daily associate the party with this element.

That meant less swing voters scared away from the Conservatives AND let some of these other stories, incl the RCMP investigation, gain some traction.

One-issue people are intransigent ("You want to send all the red-haired people to the gas chambers, and you are opposed to abortion? Sure I'll vote for you!"); so there's no sense debating or even discussing things with them. I only wish that these people could realise how frighteningly they come across to many mainstream voters and that some discretion, especially during an election campaign, might do whatever party they choose the most good.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 27, 2006 9:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mmmh... they took a good lesson from the liberals on the stifling...

too bad for the liberals they forgot about it in this election ;)
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 29, 2006 10:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"WOW!!! I missed the Canadian Media being on the conservative's side... was it between them talking about the conservatives following the americans, and over-publicizing the liberals - and their battle with the PM??
And last time i checked a vast number of Canadians hate US republicans... "




If the Canadian media painted the liberals as a" fighting corruption government" as opposed to a corrupt government..that would of changed plenty.

Now look what you got...a muzzled corrupt mess that will keep the status quo of them all being corrupt. Wonder if the liberals learnt there lesson...If you actrually find corruption and weed it your in deep. Canadian people would rather you stick your head in the sand and pretend it doesn't exist. Actually that's happening right now with the Afghan war...Being told neo-con-ada is there to help woman and children. :lol:

The republicans and US media were very quick to point out the favourability of a harper government....I'll bet US wannabes wet themselves during those reports.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 29, 2006 1:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Buddy Kat wrote:
If the Canadian media painted the liberals as a" fighting corruption government" as opposed to a corrupt government..that would of changed plenty.

I know the MSM isn't about being part of the story or spinning the truth but even this would be a stretch for them! :roll:

-Mac
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 29, 2006 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Buddy Kat wrote:
"WOW!!! I missed the Canadian Media being on the conservative's side... was it between them talking about the conservatives following the americans, and over-publicizing the liberals - and their battle with the PM??
And last time i checked a vast number of Canadians hate US republicans... "




If the Canadian media painted the liberals as a" fighting corruption government" as opposed to a corrupt government..that would of changed plenty.

Now look what you got...a muzzled corrupt mess that will keep the status quo of them all being corrupt. Wonder if the liberals learnt there lesson...If you actrually find corruption and weed it your in deep. Canadian people would rather you stick your head in the sand and pretend it doesn't exist. Actually that's happening right now with the Afghan war...Being told neo-con-ada is there to help woman and children. :lol:

The republicans and US media were very quick to point out the favourability of a harper government....I'll bet US wannabes wet themselves during those reports.


Thats probably because they realized the conservatives wouldn't hate on the US just to get votes..

And lets not forget that it was the liberals who moved the troops into kandahar(the war zone)... NTM they are the ones who accepted the NATO/UN mandate...
don't spew your neo-conisms in here(it just means new-conservative BY THE WAY)...


And - lets stop for a moment and consider the fact that the liberals DID participate in corruption. Admitting you did wrong doesn't make you invincible to the consequences...
Perfect example(I'm waiting for the good dr.'s comments hehehe )

For the women thing - this is a pathetic argument... one that is mired in partisanism. Women's rights is dead - ask almost any real woman and they will agree... give it up. Its the nutjobs out there who continue to perpetuate this lie - all because they get paid lots of money to do so (hello government funding). Again i bring you back to family law and prostate cancer as prime examples. Further examples: 60% women in post-secondary to 40% male. ; yet there are still women-only scholarships!? Perhaps we can look at the charter of rights and freedoms, that protects women.. Perhaps the various supreme court decisions saying that a white male cannot be descriminated against... Lowered physical standards for women for professions such as firefighter, cop, military. Many of the laws are counter-equality - they state basically that women are not strong enough to fight for themselves, so we must make things easier for them - to me this is more discriminatory than anything. Some of the laws remain necessary. These laws are reaching their life cycle though.

BTW - CNN, the worlds most watched news network - Is VERY Democrat ;)
so when you say US media - just remember, most of them are democrats... just like most of the media here is liberal (and if you deny this you must be up to your eyes in leftist propoganda because you can't see straight anymore)
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 29, 2006 10:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

in case any here are really the types that do take the blinders off once in a while,,,,,,


and i really don't think they like you guys going off topic like this ,,so,,

i will help out, as i know how it happens,,,

its called a conversation,,for others, that don't,,


read this in the north shore news and thought it contributed to this,,,,



RCMP must be independent of politics

Jerry Paradis

This is the last in a series on the RCMP, an organization that relies
heavily on tradition to underpin its reputation. So, let's have a
brief look at some history.

At the end of the First World War, the Royal Northwest Mounted Police
was down to about 300 members. Its original mandate - to bring law
and order to the frontier - had been largely accomplished and many
who had gone off to fight in Europe declined to rejoin the force upon
their return.

In 1919, that meager remnant of the force earned a dubious reputation
when, to end the Winnipeg general strike, it charged into a crowd,
clubbed two people to death and injured 30 more. It was therefore no
surprise that there was heated debate in Parliament in 1920 when the
proposal was made to merge the force with the even smaller Dominion
Police (whose duties were mainly to protect Parliament Hill, provide
bodyguards for ministers and patrol naval yards). Many MPs were
justifiably more than a little wary of a nationwide paramilitary police force.

In the end, what saved the Mounties was dope. Canada was just getting
into the swing of the drug prohibition business, and Parliament
ultimately decided that a national presence was necessary to
effectively enforce the Opium and Drug Act. The Royal Canadian
Mounted Police was born, and today employs 60,000 men and women. That
crucial role of drugs in the history of the RCMP is important when
trying to make sense of some of the more intriguing actions on the
part of its high-level decision-makers over the past couple of years.

Mayerthorpe is a good example. When Commissioner Giuliano Zaccardelli
first learned about what was undoubtedly the most tragic episode in
the force's recent history, he took the opportunity to warn darkly
about drugs and organized crime - referring to a small grow op that
had been found in James Roszco's Quonset hut.

It was obvious from the outset that the grow op had nothing to do
with the shootings. On the other hand, there were serious questions
about the planning and execution of the raid on the farm of a
volatile, well-known and well-armed cop-hater. The investigation is
now 16 months old and the public is none the wiser.

That episode neatly illustrates a pattern found in a number of recent
events presumably directed from the top: political posturing,
inordinate delay and, with one notable exception, secrecy.

The RCMP is infatuated with the idea of creating "teams" - usually
with considerable fanfare, essentially a political gesture intended
to convey the impression that something important is going on.
Unfortunately, that is not always evident.

In 2004, the force created Marijuana Grow Operation Teams across the
country. On Feb. 28 last, 18 months later, it announced the
conclusion of their "first major operation" when, the press release
proudly proclaimed, they "uncovered a Montreal-based criminal
organization involved in the trafficking, importation and exportation
of cannabis seeds."

It took 16 months of hard work by the seven dedicated men and women
of Operation Courriel to nail a group that had been openly
trafficking in seeds over the Internet since 1998. "Courriel" means
e-mail in French - and that pretty much says it all. What major
operation? What was there to "uncover"?

But that didn't deter the spokesman for the team from proudly
proclaiming that seizure of a huge pile of seeds had prevented the
ultimate rolling of 42 million joints - quite in keeping with the
force's habit of making sometimes laughable claims to get attention
while obscuring the fact that not much is going on. There are four
other "teams" out there and it's been nearly two years. Are they
pursuing equally challenging investigations?

Similarly, Integrated Market Enforcement Teams were formed in 2003 to
investigate financial fraud across the country. They burst into
public view when the Toronto team got into a snit about the Bank of
Nova Scotia not responding appropriately (in the team's opinion) to
court orders for the production of certain documents related to an
investigation. The RCMP expressed its displeasure by staging a
completely unnecessary but dramatic daylight "raid" on the bank's
head office in Toronto's financial district. Along with the flashing
lights of more than a dozen squad cars and a huge van to serve as a
sort of on-site headquarters, more than 25 uniformed officers with
"POLICE" on their jackets stormed into the building, a remarkably
brazen piece of street theatre obviously intended to intimidate one
of Canada's oldest and most respected financial institutions.

Apparently, that wasn't enough for that intrepid team. Shortly after,
in the same investigation, it managed to secure a search warrant that
included the name of the then finance minister in the Ontario
government, Greg Sorbara. Although he was highly critical of the
warrant, he did the right thing and resigned while protesting his innocence.

A few months ago, a judge of the Ontario Superior Court ordered that
Sorbara's name be deleted from the warrant. In doing so, the judge
castigated the RCMP for the "contradictory" and "doubtful" and
"entirely unsatisfactory" evidence it put forward in the first place
to obtain it.

Once again, a publicity stunt that yielded nothing of value while the
nitty-gritty of the investigation went awry. Not much has been heard
since about the investigation, now in its third year.

But in the end, the most troubling event of all is the interference
by Commissioner Zaccardelli in last winter's election campaign, a
move that demonstrated clearly how the force can choose not to hide
behind silence and secrecy when it sees a political upside.

An NDP MP sent a letter in November of 2005 to the RCMP suggesting
that there had been a deliberate leak in the Liberal government's
finance department regarding a change in policy regarding income
trusts. Just after Christmas, Zaccardelli replied to the MP,
confirming that the force had launched a formal investigation into
her allegations. He had to be aware that, in the midst of a campaign
being fought almost exclusively on the issue of corruption, that
letter would become public - particularly in the slow-news lull of
Christmas week.

There is little doubt that, even considering all other factors, that
disclosure tipped the balance in favour of the Tories. From that
point on they surged ahead in the polls.

It doesn't much matter what Zaccardelli's motive was, although the
fact that, so far, this government has dumped the idea of
decriminalizing cannabis, added $161 million to the force's budget,
and has provided funds for an additional 1,000 members and the
refurbishing of the clubhouse in Regina might be considered dead giveaways.

The commissioner, dubbed a "consummate political operative" by
well-connected Ottawa commentator Lawrence Martin, quite deliberately
interfered in an election campaign. This is not just another arm of
the bureaucracy. This is a police force, an organization we have
empowered to regulate our lives, through the use of force if
necessary. It is fundamental that they must remain at arm's length
from the making of policies they are mandated to enforce. The B.C.
Civil Liberties Association, when filing an official complaint in
July with the Commissioner for Public Complaints about that episode,
said it best: "Police meddling in an election is poison to a democracy."

The all-powerful FBI under J. Edgar Hoover often resorted to similar
attention-grabbing stunts and was certainly a politically active
organization. On the other hand, it made sure that agents in the
field rarely became the targets of public censure or ridicule.

In any event, although Canadians are traditionally deferential to
authority, are they really interested in replicating here that kind
of national police presence, one that is self-perpetuating and
apparently not subject to serious civilian control?





sheep never see it coming,,,,

we are all still pawns at times, it seems , looking at the big picture



operation email,,,i know the people involved and guess what they are not being extradited to the USA,never an issue,,no other seed seller in canada is , because they like the other 99 seed selling companies in Canada don't have a political party dedicated to ending prohibitionist's gravy train

i know you all don't want to hear this,,that's why they get away with it.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 10:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why would you make the assumption that you are any less of a sheep than anyone else?

Its a rather self-righteous position coming from somebody who doesn't seem to understand the rather simple purpose of a comma. The most interesting part of your sheep suggestion is that you seem to be displaying the very traits that you are condemning in others, but without constraint.

When you put a sheep in front of a mirror - all you see is a sheep ;)
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 12:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

that's it???that's all you got???

OK I'm a sheep too
who cares ,,,it says that in my post. so what ....

what about the contents of the crime in the post ?????
what cat got your tongue??? or its ""oh well,,he may not do those crimes again""

promoted the perpetrators against ARAR??

this is the reason people like me get involved and why people like me improve the conditions for all of us,,,we are all to complicate.

anyone else in any other real job would have been dismissed unless they were being shielded like this man is.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 12:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I didn't even bother reading what you included - I've come to the point where I cast aside what you have to say about anything - it just comes down to the same pot argument constantly... then I have to sift through 1000s of commas and try to make sense of the rambling..

Let go of the pot argument already - or at the very least spare us from it.

I do find it comical that leftists would try to blame the loss of the election on the RCMP deciding to investigate a CRIMINAL act... incidently - they also cleared the liberals of wrongdoing in said investigation (and, incidently - the man who was at the center of it was re-elected)
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 2:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Despit what the biggie says ..womans issues are real...and neo-cnic media did report a harper government is very favourable to the republicans.

Getting on topic...that is quite the post on the history of the rcmp and how drugs have played a major role.

Drug scare tactics have been a boon to them and lots of Canadians have seen thru the car thief killer story also. Without drugs and social paranoia there budgets would be dismall and there weapons arsenal non existent. Talk about "Gateway funding"..and it's not just the rcmp but all policeing agencies. This exposes the need for harsh drug laws as it is very clear that police serve government first and foremost.Politicans get there fancy weapon protection the bottom feeders get there kool cash ..some estimates are 80% of bottom feeder income is related to drug crime. The public get what they deserve.

This also brings to mind the murdering of strikeing coal miners in sashatchewan under Anderson a CONSERVATIVE premier that was elected with help of e Ku Klux Klan which Saskatchewan had a strong affinity too. It is said from witnesses that the rcmp actually couldn't wait and enjoyed the cold blooded murders they did.


It is also worth mentioning the rcmp used to have a "dirty tricks squad" the supporter of the end prohibition site mighow. The rcmp have been given permission to break laws in order to enhance there version of enforceing law. The rcmp have blown up mail boxs in the past with out any concern to human life..burnt barns down (started fires) to discredit groups they don't like. The list is pretty damageing.

Just like insurgent terrorists they have written the book on terrorism in Canada. It's not srpriseing that they would bring down a government to feed there agenda.

Now look at the zacereldii case and say "I'm sorry"....could you imagine anyone getting away with crimes by simply saying I'm sorry. This is the Canada they want and they supported Harper to provide .Harper has said in his own words "a canada you will not recognize"...that the liberals paved the way for such terror is also disgracefull. But at least we can discuss it and we still have the power to vote them out of existence. :D
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 5:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah the RCMP is after us...

riiiiiiiiiiight
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

biggie rection wrote:
Yeah the RCMP is after us...

riiiiiiiiiiight

Bad boys, bad boys, whatcha gonna do?
Whatcha gonna do when we come for you?

-Mac :lol:
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