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Hasdrubal





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PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 10:04 am    Post subject: Exercise asking children to pick surviving ethnic groups Reply with quote

Exercise asking children to pick surviving ethnic groups slammed by N.B. gov't
Wed Feb 18, 5:15 PM

By Michael Tutton, The Canadian Press



New Brunswick's education minister says he is "appalled" by a social studies exercise that asked children in an elementary school to pick among three ethnic and two language groups as possible survivors in a planetary explosion.


A teacher at the Ecole Mont-Carmel in the village of Ste-Marie-de-Kent recently gave the Grade 4 students a sheet that asked them to imagine an Acadian francophone was on another planet with an anglophone, a black African, a Chinese person, and an aboriginal person.


The students were told the planet was going to explode in 10 minutes, and were asked which three of the five people should take a seat in a rocket that would escape the explosion.


A spokeswoman for the Education Department says the mother of one of the students complained to the school's principal, saying her daughter was upset by having to make the choice.


The spokeswoman said the principal initially defended the exercise, prompting the complaint to the department. The principal wasn't available for comment on Wednesday.


Education Minister Kelly Lamrock, who is a former teacher, said the exercise isn't suitable and recommended it be taken out of the classroom.


"I've seen the exercise," he said in an interview. "I'm quite appalled at it. It's obviously unacceptable."


Lamrock said the exercise forces students to decide which ethnic or language group he or she prefers.


"It's one thing to examine attitudes for stereotypical thinking. It's another to require students to think in stereotypes and this crosses the line."


The department said the exercise is not part of the province's social sciences curriculum on cultural diversity.


"I'm told it isn't in any of our recommended exercises that goes out with the curriculum," said Lamrock, who also criticized "cartoonish" pictures on the exercise that he believes encourage stereotypes by depicting children from several different racial groups.


Gerald Richard, director of the district school board, said he believes the teacher intended to give a message of racial tolerance.


But after examining the material because of media interest in it, he decided it was too difficult for Grade 4 students to understand and asked the school to stop using it.


Although he doesn't agree with the method of teaching in the exercise, Richard said he thinks the "intention of the exercise was good."


"It was to try to make the point that prejudice wasn't acceptable," he said.


"The intention was to tell the children what the word prejudice means, and to become more tolerant and open."


One of the questions in the exercise asked the students if they found the choice difficult, and then asks them to explain why.

Jessie Lomax, the mother who complained to the school, told the CBC her daughter is the only child in the class from a different ethnic or racial group.

"She felt it was wrong, she didn't understand it," she said.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 10:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

YARTSH.

Yet Another Reason To Home School.

This is a sick exercise period.

This is an exercise designed to get every student to brand themselves some sort of racist. Imagine forcing a child to make this decision and then making them justify it. Socialist labeling/guilt tripping 101.

make everyone believe the are inherently racist and then make them pay for the rest of their lousy little lives for it.

This teacher/principal needs to go.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 8:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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A spokeswoman for the Education Department says the mother of one of the students complained to the school's principal, saying her daughter was upset by having to make the choice.
Making a choice is an adult activity! How dare they pose troubling ethical and moral questions, or dilemmas to children! Why, you should not be asked to make any such choices until you are a proper adult, which these days means at 345 years old. Yes, that does mean adulthood is postponed until after most people die...
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 8:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I remember we had a similar thing in high school, they gave us a list of people, and we were supposed to pick who could help rebuild society or something. I remember there wa s gay doctor character. It is all part of the social engineering, nothing to see here.

The correct answer is obviously to throw off the white people, and the pilot of the rocket, because he is white too, so you can get the other 4 in.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 9:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kwlafayette wrote:
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A spokeswoman for the Education Department says the mother of one of the students complained to the school's principal, saying her daughter was upset by having to make the choice.
Making a choice is an adult activity! How dare they pose troubling ethical and moral questions, or dilemmas to children! Why, you should not be asked to make any such choices until you are a proper adult, which these days means at 345 years old. Yes, that does mean adulthood is postponed until after most people die...


K I truly appreciate sarcasm and I do understand your point about not having to make choices. It is a very valid point that our society is forever being absolved of the burden of having to make choices by different levels of government. Yes I do include public schools as a level/extension of government.

However this whole exercise was not about choice and consequences at all. I would be hard pressed to find an average ten year old that could make this particular rigged "choice" rationally and express their reasoning without falling into the trap that was set by the parameters of the bogus racist exercise.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 11:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I f***ing hate political correctness. NB schools certainly are getting a lot of attention these days though.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 3:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kwlafayette wrote:
I remember we had a similar thing in high school, they gave us a list of people, and we were supposed to pick who could help rebuild society or something. I remember there wa s gay doctor character. It is all part of the social engineering, nothing to see here.

The correct answer is obviously to throw off the white people, and the pilot of the rocket, because he is white too, so you can get the other 4 in.


I had something similar, but there was no 'social' dimension to it - just pick and prioritize the experiences and abilities you'd need to survive on your tiny island. No transgendered muslim farmers or anything like that.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't recall an exercise like this during my school years. I'm trying to figure out what possible good could come from such teachings?

-Mac
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 8:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I don't recall an exercise like this during my school years. I'm trying to figure out what possible good could come from such teachings?


You can see some jackass teachers sitting around and saying "how can we make Kids aware of racism". This was their answer. To bad kids would rather be mean to those who are different at that age than nice.

Probably made them racists instead of tolerant.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 10:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They leave out the real important information from the exercise; Which one is the Jew?
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 12:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mrsocko wrote:
You can see some jackass teachers sitting around and saying "how can we make Kids aware of racism". This was their answer. To bad kids would rather be mean to those who are different at that age than nice.

Probably made them racists instead of tolerant.

During my school years, they were pushing the Trudeau-topian nightmare and any questioning of PET was not tolerated. I guess they hadn't reached the right "benchmarks" on the path to socialism to start introducing the self-hatred/white guilt required for political correctness to be accepted without outrage.

Ardvark wrote:
They leave out the real important information from the exercise; Which one is the Jew?

Heh...

-Mac
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 1:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Three friends, an American, a Canadian, and a Newfie, are stranded on an island. They find and pick up a magic lamp. Out comes a Genie.

The genie say "you have found my magic lamp. I will therefore grant you each one wish and only one wish."

The American is the first to go. "Genie, I want to get off this island and return to the US."

[the American vanishes from the island and is returned to the US]

The Canadian is the second to go. "Genie, I want to get off this island and return to Canada."

[the Canadian vanishes from the island and is returned to Canada]

The Genie then turns to the Newfie and asks him, "what is your wish?"

The newfie replies in a sombre tone, "I wish my friends were with me."
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 9:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The answer is what the hippies did in the 60s; you have to tune in and drop out. The solution is home schooling, or finding a good private school for your children. The public system is lost. It is pointless to to try to save it.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 9:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aren't private schools still bound by the public curriculum in some way?
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 10:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TorontoCon wrote:
Aren't private schools still bound by the public curriculum in some way?


NO!

There are subjects and benchmarks that a student must hit, but there is not at present a rigid guide as to the exercises that your child must do. How the concept is ultimately taught to the child is up to the parent.

My 4 year old could take a huge Vaycay from school as she can already sound out words/read and count/ recognize numbers up to 100. Which is the high bar for grade 1.
She also speaks some French and Spanish already.
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