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PostPosted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 10:21 pm    Post subject: Why are Universities Leftist Bastions Reply with quote

Just wondering. Any ideas. I tend to think that the smarter you think you are the more interventionist you are, the more you think you can solve all of lifes problems. People cause most of lifes problems , so if you can control people you can mitigate these problems they create.

Control the person and you control the problem.

In other words societies rights are more important than individual rights.

Any thoughts?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 11:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think that universities will inevitably come to be dominated by leftist thought - it's just that in the 20s and 30s everyone and their dog was a lefty (this is the era where 'Progressive' entered the political lexicon), and the unique circumstances of universities allowed the left to entrench and isolate themselves from outside influences.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 11:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Why are Universities Leftist Bastions Reply with quote

mrsocko wrote:
In other words societies rights are more important than individual rights.

Any thoughts?

The basic premise of socialist thought is that the rights of the collective outweigh the rights of the individual. This is a fallacy. That's right... the basic thought underpinning socialism is a mistake.

The collective is made up of individuals and cannot be represented as monolithic. Since the collective is non-substantial, any rights conferred unto it are likewise non-substantial. Even Trudeau's flawed Charter refers to individual rights, not collective rights.

Now... to your question... It's been said that those who can, do. Those who cannot, teach. Those who wish they could, teach gym.

Once upon a time, universities were institutions of higher learning. As has been attested to on other threads, there are still some university career paths which require great work and learning but the majority of students avoid those paths.

-Mac
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 7:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just throwing it out there but part of it may have to do with a lot of "Conservative" thinking coming from "how am I benefiting from my tax dollar". Since students don't really pay taxes, they don't think that way yet. It's more of the "how do we make society better (but I don't have to pay for it)".
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 7:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big Tuna wrote:
Just throwing it out there but part of it may have to do with a lot of "Conservative" thinking coming from "how am I benefiting from my tax dollar". Since students don't really pay taxes, they don't think that way yet. It's more of the "how do we make society better (but I don't have to pay for it)".


I would tend to agree.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 9:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big Tuna wrote:
Just throwing it out there but part of it may have to do with a lot of "Conservative" thinking coming from "how am I benefiting from my tax dollar". Since students don't really pay taxes, they don't think that way yet. It's more of the "how do we make society better (but I don't have to pay for it)".

Perhaps that's true for some conservatives but I'm as concerned about liberty as I am about taxation. You might be right about the students... but that kind of thinking is no doubt encouraged by their professors.

-Mac
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 11:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am not worried so much about the students being leftists, because some of those students will change their views after they get out of the cocoon world of university. It is the professors which I am most concerned about. I am in my forth year at the University of Toronto undergraduate program, and all of my teachers have been left of centre, while a couple were admitted Marxists. I have only had one professor who might be conservative, but he does not make his political views know, unlike the leftists who pass on their propaganda as truth.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 1:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mac wrote:
Perhaps that's true for some conservatives but I'm as concerned about liberty as I am about taxation. You might be right about the students... but that kind of thinking is no doubt encouraged by their professors.-Mac


As a current university student I can attest that even the most left-wing professors aren't that influential.

These are the reasons:
-students have a short attention span
-students are hungover and sometimes still drunk/high during class
-students skip class
-students daydream in class
-students don't pay attention in class
-students don't remember what was just said
-students don't understand what was just said (ie post-moderism)
-students regurgatate what the prof said without much thought just to finish
-students aren't interested in what they have to learn
-students have many courses, part-time jobs, and extracurricular activities (ie girls) which divide their attention
-students are sick of school and just want to get it over with
-semester system means students have surges in school work in all courses around midterms and finals resulting in massive information overload. Most of it is not remembered.
-professors usually lack charisma necessary to convince people of their ideas


I think for the most part, maybe 10% of a university or college student body cares about what the professor says. Even left-wing students I know can't stand a lot of these classes so that says a lot. Usually the best profs are the ones that check their personal beliefs at the door and try to engage the class in debate via Socratic dialogues, etc.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 1:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SFrank85 wrote:
I am not worried so much about the students being leftists, because some of those students will change their views after they get out of the cocoon world of university. It is the professors which I am most concerned about. I am in my forth year at the University of Toronto undergraduate program, and all of my teachers have been left of centre, while a couple were admitted Marxists. I have only had one professor who might be conservative, but he does not make his political views know, unlike the leftists who pass on their propaganda as truth.


I never got the idea of Marxism. I remember one woman at the current strike at York was advocating the cause of the "workers" as if having to mark an assignment or monitoring a computer lab and being paid for it is work.

Marxism comes across as elitist concept and in my attempt predominately held by those who are pretty well off and have jobs that are less physically intensive. Advocating for the workers is sort of a guise to attain positions of authority without needing to qualify (democratically for politicians, experience wise for business leaders, expertise for military leaders, etc.).
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SFrank85 wrote:
I am not worried so much about the students being leftists, because some of those students will change their views after they get out of the cocoon world of university. It is the professors which I am most concerned about.


I don't know. On the upside keeping these lefties in university also keeps them out of positions of power and responsibility.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 2:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ezbeatz wrote:
SFrank85 wrote:
I am not worried so much about the students being leftists, because some of those students will change their views after they get out of the cocoon world of university. It is the professors which I am most concerned about.


I don't know. On the upside keeping these lefties in university also keeps them out of positions of power and responsibility.


But those who want to attain power and influence usually take the university route.

Most of your politicians are lawyers; you need to go through many years of university. Some might be influenced by these leftist professors.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 2:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ezbeatz wrote:
I don't know. On the upside keeping these lefties in university also keeps them out of positions of power and responsibility.

That doesn't explain Professor Count Iggy or Professor Non-Count Dion...

-Mac
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 2:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SFrank85 wrote:
I have only had one professor who might be conservative, but he does not make his political views know, unlike the leftists who pass on their propaganda as truth.


It seems to be the case, more often than not. Conservative minded individuals can accept conflicting views and will keep their own to themselves, while the leftists are self-righteous in promoting / imposing their views.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mac wrote:
ezbeatz wrote:
I don't know. On the upside keeping these lefties in university also keeps them out of positions of power and responsibility.

That doesn't explain Professor Count Iggy or Professor Non-Count Dion...

-Mac


Or Chancellor Boob Rae. The liberal party is full of professors and lawyers. They might as well appoint a used cars salesman as their next leader.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 6:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

While conservatives stayed home working & looking after their families leftists attended university, got a degree & simply took advantage. What it comes down to is that the left is basically the white collar class & conservatives are the blue collar class.
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