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FF_Canuck





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PostPosted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 2:14 am    Post subject: Are You An Austrian? Reply with quote

I believe a similar question was presented as a poll, but I saw this test a few days ago (linked in a BT post), and I suspect it may be more accurate than self-identification for some. It takes some time to complete, but it's worth it, IMO.

Mises Institure: Are You an Austrian?

For the record, I score 90% Austrian, 10% Chicago. My Chicago answers were pretty consistently those dealing with defense and/or security (Each question presents four possible answers, and I'd guess the other two schools represented are Kenyesian and Marxist - I didn't answer any questions that way, so I can't be certain).
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 01, 2009 10:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I become any more Austrian I will be required to wear leaderhossen. Yes I know I spelled that wrong, but apparently leader hossen is not in the spell check. :wink:

I just recently learned about this site about 4 months ago. Alot of interesting stuff there isn't there?

They have been finding a huge surge in traffic in the last few months and have had to keep doubling their band width to handle the traffic.

They have some excellent downloads for reading/learning. Liberty oriented actually free market economy. Excellent site period.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 6:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I scored 90% Keynes/socialist with the occasional Chicago and one Austrian answer (the sources of economic value). It's pretty much what I expected.
eveable





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PostPosted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 2:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I scored 60% Austrian with the remainder Keynesian and the odd Chicago and socialist. The Socialist answers are annoying, I saw them but...I guess I was trying to answer the way things are at present.
I may have to hang myself or vote NDP.
Mac





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PostPosted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 2:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought I would blast through that quickly but I see I'll have to put my glasses on. sigh...

-Mac
Rusty Bedsprings





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PostPosted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 4:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I scored 47%, what does that mean? That I'm 47% Austrian or do I have to calculate my marks my self from the answer analysis given?
eveable





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PostPosted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 5:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rusty, that should mean that 47% of your answers follow Austran economics. You can see what bent the other answers are.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 10:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Are You an Austrian?

(32,336 have taken this quiz.)

Your score is: 94/100

Hmmm.... That took quite a while. I did the truncated quiz (10 answers) first, had supper and then did the longer test. Interestingly enough, as I was reading the answers, I see on the question: What is the reason for the interest rate, and should it be regulated? , I answered the same both times. In the short quiz, it was described as being the Keynesian answer but in the longer quiz, it was described as being the Chicago answer. What's up with that?

-Mac
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 10:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's odd... I never took the short quiz, so I didn't notice anything like that, though I think the interest rate question was one of my 4 or 5 Chicago answers. Out of curiosity, how'd you answer for the question about who should provide security and legal services? That was probably the toughest choice for me, and I ended up with the Chicago answer.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 11:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

FF_Canuck wrote:
That's odd... I never took the short quiz, so I didn't notice anything like that, though I think the interest rate question was one of my 4 or 5 Chicago answers. Out of curiosity, how'd you answer for the question about who should provide security and legal services? That was probably the toughest choice for me, and I ended up with the Chicago answer.

Can you check your email and quote the complete question which you're referring to? Your description matches a couple of the questions.

My "Chicago" answers were to these questions:

3. What is the reason for the interest rate, and should the rate be regulated?
7. What causes the business cycle?
20. What is the function of the stock market?

-Mac
FF_Canuck





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PostPosted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 12:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're right, too vague. I was referring to question 10: What is the proper size and scope of government?
The Mises Institute wrote:
A. Markets deliver ordinary consumer and producer goods in a relatively efficient fashion. However, for various economic and political reasons, private transactions for fundamental services and institutions, like law, money, and defense, fail badly. There is no sense in even discussing markets without the prior need of a state. Government must exist to enforce the 'rules of the game' for society to emerge from chaos. Government must establish and enforce basic rules for society, but avoid discretionary or destabilizing intervention into markets...


This is the Chicago answer, which I chose. I struggled between this and the Austrian answer:

The Mises Institute wrote:
D. Order in society can emerge through voluntary transactions between individuals. People can engage in private transactions for anything they value, including laws and security. Since all choices concern alternative future states of the world, each individual alone understands which goods best suit him or her, including protection and dispute resolution. Ideally, government would be limited to protecting rights, but government as we know it serves elites and violates rights to self-ownership, and efforts to limit governmental powers tend to fail. Private institutions for security and arbitration are more efficient and moral than public equivalents.


I don't disagree with much of what it says vis-a-vis the governmental tendancy to violate rights of self-ownership, and I support an active role of private security firms and the like in society, but I am leery of commercial criminal courts or police forces for hire. I think private civil arbitration would work well, however.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 11:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

FF_Canuck wrote:
I don't disagree with much of what it says vis-a-vis the governmental tendancy to violate rights of self-ownership, and I support an active role of private security firms and the like in society, but I am leery of commercial criminal courts or police forces for hire. I think private civil arbitration would work well, however.

I hear you. There are already some civil arbitration services available and they work well as long as both parties are cooperative. Private security is become more prevalent all the time. Private investigators do some civil investigations, due diligence, etc. Hmmm... two-tier policing anyone?

I don't ever see criminal courts going commercial but the courthouse facilities themselves could be privatized. Likewise with police forces... A big part of the RCMP's reorganization will be putting civilians into administrative roles which used to be occupied by police officers. Those civilians will be Public Servants but in some cases, it might be appropriate to have positions or roles privatized.

-Mac
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 4:09 pm    Post subject: Are You an Austrian, Axiomatic or Mainstream Economist? Reply with quote

The Mises Institute has distributed a list of 25 questions which purport to sort out Austrians, Keynesians, monetarists and Marxists. Apparently, in their world view, axiomatic economists do not exist. Many people have taken this test and almost all of them have been told that they are 80 to 90% Austrian. This would imply either that Austrianism is far more prevalent in society than hitherto suspected, or that the test takers were hoodwinked.

Actually, it is the latter. The Mises Institute is conflating Austrianism with libertarianism. Most of their questions are about jurisprudence, not economics, and are really just asking if one is libertarian. The 80 to 90% represents the prevalence of libertarianism in society, or at least among people who visit their site. The purpose of the Mises Institute’s test is to convince libertarians that there is no other economic theory compatible with their beliefs, not to convert mainstream or Marxist economists, who are assumed to be irredeemable.

In contrast to the Mises Institute, my test asks only theoretical, not ideological, questions. I assume that everybody taking it is more or less supportive of capitalism and the free market. (If you are a Marxist, you might want to read my Critique of Montagne rather than take this test.) I intend to sort out followers of the axiomatic, Austrian and mainstream schools of economic thought. By “mainstream” I mean concepts that are widely taught in the universities, not just Keynesianism. Austrians tend to assume that the two terms are synonymous, which is not true.

Take the 20-question quiz at Are You an Austrian, Axiomatic or Mainstream Economist?

Take the 6-question quiz at Short Version of Quiz.
Rusty Bedsprings





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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 4:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyone have an opinion of classical economics, from what I know it seems pretty good to me, not perfect mind you.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 5:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Humm let me see:

9 for Austrian
6 for Chicago
5 for Keynesian
6 for Socialism

Results according to the poll says I scored 49% Austrian.
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