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PostPosted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 11:39 am    Post subject: Muslim academic: All religions are mythical! Reply with quote

http://www.thestar.com/News/World/article/557645

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Questioning of Prophet's existence stirs outcry

Muslim academic says research leads him to believe Muhammad is a mythical figure

Dec 23, 2008 04:30 AM

Tom Harpur
SPECIAL TO THE STAR

A noted Muslim scholar has provoked a huge controversy in Europe by openly questioning the existence of the Prophet Muhammad.

The Islamist at the centre of the storm in Germany over whether Muhammad ever existed as an historical figure says he is simply following the conclusions of many years of rigorous research.

Muhammad Sven Kalisch, 42, the chair of Islamic Studies at the University of Muenster and whose duties include training teachers for the rising number of Muslim students in German high schools, has created a furor by stating that in all probability Muhammad was a mythical creation.

He told the Star in a recent phone interview that his research leads him to believe that the three great monotheistic religions, Judaism, Christianity and Islam have mythical origins.

German police worried about a possible violent backlash have told the professor to move his offices to more secure premises. But Kalisch says there have been no specific threats and he is far from being "in hiding" as some bloggers and other rumour-mongers have claimed.

However, the Central Council of Muslims in Germany to which the four largest organizations of the country's 3 million-strong Muslim community belong, has stopped its co-operation with the university's Centre for Religious Studies over the professor's stand.

A spokesperson for the council, Ali Kizilkaya, has said if the Prophet Muhammad didn't exist then the Qur'an doesn't exist.

"This would mean that we would have to abolish the religion altogether," Kizilkaya said. "We are convinced the Prophet did indeed exist and that the Qur'an is the word of God."

Michael Marx, a Qur'an specialist at the Berlin-Brandenburg Academy of Sciences, has warned his colleagues that Kalisch's views will "make it difficult" for German scholars to work in Muslim lands.

The traditional view of Muhammad is that he was born in Mecca in Arabia, about AD 570 and died in Medina around AD 632. The Qur'an, Islam's holy book, is composed of revelations believed to have been given to him by God through the archangel Gabriel. There are about one billion Muslims in the world today.

"My position with regard to the historical existence of Muhammad is that I believe neither his existence nor his non-existence can be proven," Kalisch said in a statement. "I, however, lean toward the non-existence."

He told the Star he holds the same position regarding Abraham, Moses and the other Jewish patriarchs, as well as Jesus Christ.

There have been threats, campaigns for his dismissal from his post, and dozens of media interviews, commentaries and editorials. According to Der Spiegel magazine, a group of more than 30 German academics have signed a petition supporting Kalisch's right to scholarly freedom of expression.

Kalisch studied and practised law before returning to college to take a Ph.D. in religious studies. He speaks fluent English, Turkish and Arabic as well as German.

He was born in Hamburg of a German father and a mother of Mongolian descent. They were nominal Protestants and when he began early in his teens to follow up on the Asian line of his heritage he decided to learn Turkish.

That led directly to an exposure to Islamic teaching and at 15 he decided to convert. "I was attracted by the emphasis on one God instead of a trinity," he says. "It seemed in many ways a very rational religion."

But, he differed from typical religious converts to a new faith in that he never stopped questioning. "Religion should never contradict reason," he says. "I could never accept any doctrine or belief that goes against my rational mind."

Kalisch said he realized early in 2001 that when the same scientific methods are applied to investigate Muslim claims of historicity as are used on Jewish and Christian origins, similar problems arise at once. He found that traditional theological positions soon collapse once hard evidence is sought. He discovered there is as much "myth-making" in Islam as in Judaism and Christianity. And so his current process of "rethinking Islam" was begun.

Asked whether he thought his public airings of his findings will destroy peoples' faith, he said: "It will destroy a literalist faith, a faith no longer reliable because of reason. But, the God I believe in is not a god of literalists. He is the Ultimate One. God doesn't write books. All the various sacred books are the product of human minds and experiences. They can be helpful but they must be interpreted for today."

Kalisch maintains non-Muslim scholars who agree with his hypothesis but keep silent out of "respect" for Muslims are in fact treating them as though they can't handle the truth.

"That's not respect, it's putting Muslims on the same level as small children who can't think and decide for themselves and whose illusions of Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny one doesn't want to destroy."

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 2:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It really bothers me when people try to disprove religions. Also the way this man has gone about doing it is by saying the profit Mohammad did not exist. Well wouldn't it be harder not easier to make a religion when the person who is a centerpiece in it does not exist. I'm sure the profit Mohammad did exist or else how would Islam of been started.

I personally suspect that he may be a [libel-removed] plant who is trying to get non-muslim professors to agree with him to fuel the anti-western fire that is already burning in the Islamic world.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 5:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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He told the Star in a recent phone interview that his research leads him to believe that the three great monotheistic religions, Judaism, Christianity and Islam have mythical origins.


There is proof that L.Ron Hubbard existed. Maybe we should all pull a Tom Cruise cause according to this fool the only religion that is genuine is one where you have the finger prints and DNA of the originator. :lol:
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 9:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A Muslim said that all religions are myths?

I applaud this guy for his courage and I hope he enjoys the final few days of his life...
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you ever read anything by Tom Harpur. He's one of those guys that doesn't believe anything in the Gospel but still thinks he's "spiritual". Most Anglican Ministers(Harpur is a former) don't believe the basic tenents of Christianity. A Evangelical friend of mine interviewed a high ranking minister int he church and was confused by some of his answers and asked him if he believed Jesus was God, died for our sins etc. He said most Anglican ministers don't believe.

If you don't believe the basic tenents of your faith shouldn't you look or a new job. As former Anglican it saddens me to see this churh in such a sad state.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Star wrote:
..."My position with regard to the historical existence of Muhammad is that I believe neither his existence nor his non-existence can be proven," Kalisch said in a statement. "I, however, lean toward the non-existence."


That's the important part. Disproving the existence of a figure who live and died almost 1500 years ago is no simple matter. What you might be able to do, is 'disprove' (to the extent allowed by historical analysis) claims made about that historical figure.

If you look into scholarly research about almost anyone, from William Wallace to Napoleon to Genghis Khan, you'll see what I mean.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 10:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

craig smith wrote:
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A Muslim said that all religions are myths?

I applaud this guy for his courage and I hope he enjoys the final few days of his life...


Well i think it only said he was a muslim scholar. And if he is muslim then I question how a muslim can be muslim without believing in Muhammad.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 10:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rusty Bedsprings wrote:
craig smith wrote:
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A Muslim said that all religions are myths?

I applaud this guy for his courage and I hope he enjoys the final few days of his life...


Well i think it only said he was a muslim scholar. And if he is muslim then I question how a muslim can be muslim without believing in Muhammad.


By believing in Allah, as he says he does in the article? Not every muslim follows a strict literalist interpretation of the Quran, though most of 'mainstream' Sunni and Shia do. It's no different than how various traditions of Christianity have differing interpretations.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 10:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK so If hes a muslim why is he saying that all religions are myths?
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