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should john tory be replaced
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ezbeatz





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PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 5:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Craig wrote:
John Tory is our version of Dion. He needs to go...


I respectfully disagree. Dion actually won his seat.
Mac





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PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 6:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ezbeatz wrote:
I respectfully disagree. Dion actually won his seat.

Good point.

-Mac
fiscalconservative





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PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 11:12 pm    Post subject: Tory and Dion. Reply with quote

Mac wrote:
Craig wrote:
John Tory is our version of Dion. He needs to go...

Agreed... and agreed...

-Mac


Tory took one big gamble and lost. Had the strategy worked, he might have a majority now. Dion on the other hand made blunder after blunder. He may have lost his seat, but it was a seat in Toronto. Imagine how Dion would have done if his seat was in Alberta.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 9:27 am    Post subject: Re: Tory and Dion. Reply with quote

fiscalconservative wrote:
Tory took one big gamble and lost. Had the strategy worked, he might have a majority now. Dion on the other hand made blunder after blunder. He may have lost his seat, but it was a seat in Toronto. Imagine how Dion would have done if his seat was in Alberta.

Tory made more than one blunder. His campaign was filled with blunder after blunder. Despite the complete illogical premise of McGuinty's objection to faith based schooling, Tory never recovered. What's worse is McGuinty's campaign was filled with opportunities where any politican worth his salt could have exposed McGuinty for the lying socialist prick that he is... but Tory wasn't able to make a dent.

The final cap for me was that after Tory lost the election and lost his seat, he didn't resign immediately as any honourable man would have. To be honest,Tory acts as if he was being paid by the Liberals to provide the illusion of opposition while ensuring the PCs never hold office.

-Mac
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 10, 2008 8:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think John's days in provincial politics are over. He would make a really good federal MP in the 416, he's a bright guy who understands urban issues, but I don't think he has the gonads for the cut throat politics involved at the highest level
Rusty Bedsprings





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PostPosted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 2:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

john just said that he would not be steping down at year end like he said he would if he hadn't found a seat yet.
teenagetory





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PostPosted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 4:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

this is honestly getting annoying. either get a pc mpp to resign and have a by-election or have tory resign and lets have a bloody leadership contest already
ezbeatz





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PostPosted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

teenagetory wrote:
this is honestly getting annoying. either get a pc mpp to resign and have a by-election or have tory resign and lets have a bloody leadership contest already


I vote for the leadership contest. He obviously doesn't have any confidence from his own party and none whatsoever from the Ontarian people.
LabradorGuy





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PostPosted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 2:32 pm    Post subject: Campbell's Manager Reply with quote

I guess someone overlooked his resume, where he was the Tour Director and Campaign Chairman of Kim Campbell's PC campaign. He approved the Chretian Ad, and the PC's won only 2 seats, none from Ontario. Heck the old reformers won a seat in Ontario (Ed Harper).

Granted he is a good businessman and community man, but ultimately a bad politician. I say we need to have a leadership campaign.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 5:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got a letter from my local PC EDA asking me to renew. Should I?
ezbeatz





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PostPosted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 7:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SFrank85 wrote:
I got a letter from my local PC EDA asking me to renew. Should I?


Ya cuz I'm pretty sure John Tory's going to have to step down. If Harper saves his career by appointing an OPC MPP to the Senate (ie. Bob Runciman) I will not vote Conservative in the next election.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

who would run for tory's leadership post?
SFrank85





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PostPosted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 1:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

teenagetory wrote:
who would run for tory's leadership post?


Frank Klees, Tim Hudak
Cool Blue





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PostPosted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It was rumoured that Tom Long might run.

MPP Christine Elliot (Jim Flaherty's wife) is also often mentioned as a possibility.
SFrank85





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PostPosted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 4:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Toronto Star endorsed John Tory to stay on as party leader; because they are worried a Harris type Tory will become the next leader.
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