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| Should we expand Canadian access to Concealed Weapon Permits? |
| No, we should ban handguns. |
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| No, we should keep our gun laws where they are. |
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| Yes, Restricted - ie. to off duty, retired, and part-time law enforcement officers. |
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| Yes, May Issue |
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| Yes, Shall Issue |
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 Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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| mr12387 wrote: | | crazymamma wrote: | | mr12387 wrote: | I kind of agree with Craig in terms of not trusting all the nut jobs out there.
However, I do like the idea of off duty, retired, and part-time law enforcement officers, so I voted for that. I feel like that option is much more likely to save lives than increase the loss of them. |
Makes sense to me because every time I've felt the need to use a gun there has been an off duty, retired, and part-time law enforcement officers standing right there and rescued me or anybody else who has ever been in a dangerous situation for that matter.
Better a gun in my hand then a cop on the phone. Any day. |
And how many times have you felt the need to use a gun? |
Take a moment and bother to use common courtesy to read the thread maybe? I hate having to repeat for the late comers. |
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mr12387
Joined: 21 Sep 2007
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Location: Laval, Quebec
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| Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 9:34 pm Post subject: |
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| crazymamma wrote: | | mr12387 wrote: | | crazymamma wrote: | | mr12387 wrote: | I kind of agree with Craig in terms of not trusting all the nut jobs out there.
However, I do like the idea of off duty, retired, and part-time law enforcement officers, so I voted for that. I feel like that option is much more likely to save lives than increase the loss of them. |
Makes sense to me because every time I've felt the need to use a gun there has been an off duty, retired, and part-time law enforcement officers standing right there and rescued me or anybody else who has ever been in a dangerous situation for that matter.
Better a gun in my hand then a cop on the phone. Any day. |
And how many times have you felt the need to use a gun? |
Take a moment and bother to use common courtesy to read the thread maybe? I hate having to repeat for the late comers. |
I apologize. had read until the end of page 2, and had read your 3 initial posts so I thought I had got the gist of of your argument. But feel free to be condescending.
And let me ask you, and I am not trying to be rude by asking you this. If those two pervs also had concealed weapons and already planned on doing what they did to you, couldn't they have been ready with their guns first, leaving you in more danger? |
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Mac
Joined: 02 Sep 2006
Posts: 5500
votes: 35
Location: John Baird's riding...
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| Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 9:39 pm Post subject: |
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Come on, folks- no need to get snarly... Neither of you are packing, are you? :twisted:
-Mac |
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Craig
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| Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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| crazymamma wrote: | | Take a moment and bother to use common courtesy to read the thread maybe? I hate having to repeat for the late comers. |
Actually, I'd like to know the answer to his question too and I've been in this one since the beginning. |
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| Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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| mr12387 wrote: | | crazymamma wrote: | | mr12387 wrote: | | crazymamma wrote: | | mr12387 wrote: | I kind of agree with Craig in terms of not trusting all the nut jobs out there.
However, I do like the idea of off duty, retired, and part-time law enforcement officers, so I voted for that. I feel like that option is much more likely to save lives than increase the loss of them. |
Makes sense to me because every time I've felt the need to use a gun there has been an off duty, retired, and part-time law enforcement officers standing right there and rescued me or anybody else who has ever been in a dangerous situation for that matter.
Better a gun in my hand then a cop on the phone. Any day. |
And how many times have you felt the need to use a gun? |
Take a moment and bother to use common courtesy to read the thread maybe? I hate having to repeat for the late comers. |
I apologize. had read until the end of page 2, and had read your 3 initial posts so I thought I had got the gist of of your argument. But feel free to be condescending. |
I wasn't being condescending, a simple request stated in a what I thought was non confrontational need not illicit such a defensive, took it personal manner, It was not a slam just a request.
| Quote: | | And let me ask you, and I am not trying to be rude by asking you this. If those two pervs also had concealed weapons and already planned on doing what they did to you, couldn't they have been ready with their guns first, leaving you in more danger? |
I don't think it's rude to ask this query. First I do not think that the average "Perv" as you call them is going to obey a gun law anymore then any of the other laws that they were actively breaking.Should they require guns for their " ritual of dominance" they will get them regardless. So the ability or availability to get guns in the hands of Law abiding citizens does not correlate for me. |
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| Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 10:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Mac wrote: | Come on, folks- no need to get snarly... Neither of you are packing, are you? :twisted:
-Mac |
Nope, that would be illegal here in Canader eh? she replied angelically. |
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Mac
Joined: 02 Sep 2006
Posts: 5500
votes: 35
Location: John Baird's riding...
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| Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 10:24 pm Post subject: |
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| crazymamma wrote: | | Nope, that would be illegal here in Canader eh? she replied angelically. |
Thank ya, ma'am!
Now if I only had an emoticon tipping his Stetson...
-Mac |
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Cole
Joined: 19 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 11:21 pm Post subject: |
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I agree with Craig. I can't trust John Q Public not to break down one day after a really really bad day at work and blow me away because I took his parking spot.
I also can't trust the matures enough, to compensate for the immature citizens out there. |
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| Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 8:35 am Post subject: |
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| Cole wrote: | | I can't trust John Q Public not to break down one day after a really really bad day at work and blow me away because I took his parking spot. |
Here's the problem with this statement: logically, you can't restrict it to firearms.
"I can't trust John Q Public not to break my neck ... we can't allow the public to have martial arts training."
"I can't trust John Q Public not to stab me ... we can't allow the public to have knives."
"I can't trust John Q Public not to burn me ... we can't allow the public to have lighters."
You can either choose to live in fear of law-abiding citizens, or not. If you choose not to, that's your problem, not mine. You don't have the right to restrict my rights because you're afraid. |
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kwlafayette
Joined: 03 Sep 2006
Posts: 6155
votes: 28
Location: Saskatoon Saskatchewan
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| Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 9:42 am Post subject: |
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| May issue is no good. In practice, anywhere that has may issue laws, it ends up that if you know someone, you get the permit, otherwise you don't. |
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kwlafayette
Joined: 03 Sep 2006
Posts: 6155
votes: 28
Location: Saskatoon Saskatchewan
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| Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 9:43 am Post subject: |
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| optimus2861 wrote: | | Cole wrote: | | I can't trust John Q Public not to break down one day after a really really bad day at work and blow me away because I took his parking spot. |
Here's the problem with this statement: logically, you can't restrict it to firearms.
"I can't trust John Q Public not to break my neck ... we can't allow the public to have martial arts training."
"I can't trust John Q Public not to stab me ... we can't allow the public to have knives."
"I can't trust John Q Public not to burn me ... we can't allow the public to have lighters."
You can either choose to live in fear of law-abiding citizens, or not. If you choose not to, that's your problem, not mine. You don't have the right to restrict my rights because you're afraid. |
Doesn't this lead to the "words have power" argument, and human rights commissions? |
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kwlafayette
Joined: 03 Sep 2006
Posts: 6155
votes: 28
Location: Saskatoon Saskatchewan
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| Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 9:45 am Post subject: |
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| mr12387 wrote: | | crazymamma wrote: | | mr12387 wrote: | | crazymamma wrote: | | mr12387 wrote: | I kind of agree with Craig in terms of not trusting all the nut jobs out there.
However, I do like the idea of off duty, retired, and part-time law enforcement officers, so I voted for that. I feel like that option is much more likely to save lives than increase the loss of them. |
Makes sense to me because every time I've felt the need to use a gun there has been an off duty, retired, and part-time law enforcement officers standing right there and rescued me or anybody else who has ever been in a dangerous situation for that matter.
Better a gun in my hand then a cop on the phone. Any day. |
And how many times have you felt the need to use a gun? |
Take a moment and bother to use common courtesy to read the thread maybe? I hate having to repeat for the late comers. |
I apologize. had read until the end of page 2, and had read your 3 initial posts so I thought I had got the gist of of your argument. But feel free to be condescending.
And let me ask you, and I am not trying to be rude by asking you this. If those two pervs also had concealed weapons and already planned on doing what they did to you, couldn't they have been ready with their guns first, leaving you in more danger? |
Here is the answer to your question; better to die on your feet than live on your knees. |
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kwlafayette
Joined: 03 Sep 2006
Posts: 6155
votes: 28
Location: Saskatoon Saskatchewan
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| Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 10:29 am Post subject: Re: gun laws |
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| Rusty Bedsprings wrote: | | i have mixed feelings on this. for example if guns were legal their would be alot more gun fights and police killings from prople who now all of a sudden won't take shit from people cus they got a gun. criminals already can get a gun any time they want hell i could get a gun in a week. I also think that while shootings would go up, other things like robberys and rape would go down so i think their are two sides to this coin. |
These arguments, no scratch that, these are not arguments. So many times these myths have been debunked. Objective reality simply does not support these imaginings. In Florida, there are not more gun fights. Florida is the most recent example that I can think of that switched to shall issue laws. Oh sure, there were the choruses of "there will be blood, gunfights to settle routine disputes". It simply did not happen. You are delusional. |
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kwlafayette
Joined: 03 Sep 2006
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Location: Saskatoon Saskatchewan
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| Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 10:33 am Post subject: |
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| Craig wrote: | | I live in Calgary and I often here reports of police pulling over known gang vehicles and finding guns. Because it is illegal they can arrest these gang members. If they were legal they would just send them on their merry way. Heck, why stop at hand guns? If you REALLY want to feel safe why not one up the criminal and pull out an Uzi? Remember that scene in Crocodile Dundee when the guy pulls out a knife and Mr. Dundee pulls out a much larger knife... |
I don't know. There is just something that seems "not likely" about known gangsters and criminals passing all the back ground checks required to get legal guns. |
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| Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 10:49 am Post subject: |
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| Craig wrote: | | I fully support the right to have a gun in your home to protect your property and family. I just don't think you should be allowed to walk around downtown with a gun in your pocket. |
I have to agree with Craig on this one,
People have just got more angry as of late. I saw two people with kids in their backseats almost come to blows over a parking spot at the mall this past weekend.
More aggressive driving on the road, less patience between when an advance green turns on to when the first car starts going, Canadians as a whole seem FAR angrier then they have in the past.
It just takes a second to lose it, and I would rather be more safe then sorry.
Let me have a handgun in my home, not in my glovebox. |
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