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Hasdrubal
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 Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 8:58 pm Post subject: Re: Damm Socalists |
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| Rusty Bedsprings wrote: | | The concervatives have a bad image in this country because we don't lie about the issues. We are not politically correct. If you want people to respect concervatives we have to dystroy political correctness from the youth up. |
Political correctness overtime will not produce many enlightened people, & as a result society will not have many scholars in our future, & without scholars tecnological advancement will stalemate. |
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Mac
Joined: 02 Sep 2006
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Location: John Baird's riding...
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| Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 9:23 pm Post subject: Re: Just Like the Reform party |
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| David Crutcher wrote: | We have raised $200,000 in under 2 weeks.
You will be a little surprised at some former MP's that are involved with us.
We are forming the council next week.
This reminds me of arrogant Tories that underestimated Reform.
I like the fact that you think we are only on the sidelines.
This is more fun. |
David Crutcher of Ramatek?
So who are "we" and what council are you forming??
-Mac |
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ReachingWest
Joined: 01 Dec 2008
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Location: Calgary
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| Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 9:24 pm Post subject: Re: Just Like the Reform party |
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| David Crutcher wrote: | We have raised $200,000 in under 2 weeks.
You will be a little surprised at some former MP's that are involved with us.
We are forming the council next week.
This reminds me of arrogant Tories that underestimated Reform.
I like the fact that you think we are only on the sidelines.
This is more fun. |
I will be watching. |
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| Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 9:41 pm Post subject: Re: Just Like the Reform party |
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| David Crutcher wrote: | We have raised $200,000 in under 2 weeks.
You will be a little surprised at some former MP's that are involved with us.
We are forming the council next week.
This reminds me of arrogant Tories that underestimated Reform.
I like the fact that you think we are only on the sidelines.
This is more fun. |
Just curious, but how successful do you think the "financial independence" point of view that your group espouses will be as the price of oil continues its downward trend? Resource based economies tend to have boom - bust cycles and it seems we are heading for the latter.....who knows for how long though. Maybe it's just my ignorant / arrogant Ontario point of view (since you insist on making this an Ontario and Quebec against the West party), but it seems like your provincial governments haven't adequately planned or prepared for this. I sincerely hope that you don't go through what we here in Ontario have been experiencing under a tax and spend and spend some more government. |
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FF_Canuck
Joined: 02 Sep 2006
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Location: Southern Alberta
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| Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 10:33 pm Post subject: |
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Hey, now ... there's plenty of Albertans, including myself, who have been keeping discussion on this issue civil. Let's not spoil it now.
As for the question of our economy - and putting aside that the only reason we aren't already in a recession is because of the Western provinces, I think you'll be suprised. Everyone talks about the oilsands, but that's not the only resource we have - Natural Gas is huge here, and it's not suffering the same (very) temporary price drop. AB and SK have lots of coal, and SK has lots of potash (they're actually aggressively expanding that sector). Our economy is also quite a bit more diverse than it was during the NEP days, and we've got a strong high tech sector. Our expertise in various fields of engineering is in demand around the world.
As for the government - yeah, I'm not too pleased about Stelmach's proclivity for spending. Still, we've got no debt and the lowest taxes in Confederation, and we're still going to finish the year with a strong surplus. We've also got a rainy day stash in the Heritage Fund. I expect that oil will be close to or over $80 a barrel by the end of July - if that happens, we'll barely even notice a slowdown.
So, not to be too rosy, but as long as we can keep the thieves and ecoterrorists in Ottawa at bay, we should weather the storm. I could be wrong, of course. |
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Jean.01
Joined: 30 Nov 2008
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| SFrank85 wrote: | | Just when you have a chance to get a majority in the next election…Break away! |
Too soon and lets stick together for a while yet before splitting up the furniture and deciding who gets to keep the DVD collection !
On the other hand if I was from Alberta I would be preparing for such an option if the country falls to a left wing hostile takeover that doesn't get reversed quickly by a General Federal Election.
I would think that instead of new separatist parties it might be better and faster if the citizens of a particular Province want to separate to get the currently sitting Provincial Government to become separatist parties and have a Referendum !
I'm a Quebecer who doesn't want to separate but under the right conditions I might consider it if my Province was going to become a freer place and not risk becoming Cuba North !
I would much prefer continuing in the direction of the decentralized Federation that Harper is trying to promote where the Provincial powers are respected and the federal Government concentrates on it's own areas of responsibilities. |
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FF_Canuck
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| Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 11:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Jean.01 wrote: | | I would much prefer continuing in the direction of the decentralized Federation that Harper is trying to promote where the Provincial powers are respected and the federal Government concentrates on it's own areas of responsibilities. |
Exactly! That's the way Canada was designed to function - things would be a lot better if be followed the operator's manual. |
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Mac
Joined: 02 Sep 2006
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Location: John Baird's riding...
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| FF_Canuck wrote: | | Exactly! That's the way Canada was designed to function - things would be a lot better if be followed the operator's manual. |
Especially if we were using the original instead of the "updated" version...
-Mac |
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| Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 11:18 pm Post subject: |
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| FF_Canuck wrote: | | Hey, now ... there's plenty of Albertans, including myself, who have been keeping discussion on this issue civil. Let's not spoil it now. |
My apologies to you if you think I'm not being civil as that was not my intent; I am not targeting an entire province. But that is exactly what this new separatist group is doing by persisting with the notion that all of Ontario and Quebec are trying to take over. It is the Liberal-NDP-Bloc coalition (ie: political parties) that are the threat, not entire provinces. It also disturbs me greatly that there is even a slim possibility of a fracturing of the right again because of regional protest parties. Even a shift of a few percentage points in the vote could allow for more NDP and Liberals seat wins. All that will do is allow the Liberals to do what they did when Chretien was PM ......and I'm sure that none of us want that. A Green Shift / carbon tax doesn't just harm the West, it harms us all (but the West would suffer most). |
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John Larocque
Joined: 02 Dec 2008
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Location: North York, Ontario
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| Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 11:33 pm Post subject: |
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| I have little patience for separatists of any kind (especially any party affiliated with the infamous Doug Christie), but at least the ones in Alberta don't get all uppity when they're called separatists and demand we call them by another label. |
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FF_Canuck
Joined: 02 Sep 2006
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Location: Southern Alberta
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| Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 11:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Mac wrote: | | FF_Canuck wrote: | | Exactly! That's the way Canada was designed to function - things would be a lot better if be followed the operator's manual. |
Especially if we were using the original instead of the "updated" version...
-Mac |
Indeed. Although I feel compelled to note that John A. himself was one the worst offenders when it came to disregarding the formula... but that is neither here nor there.
N.O. Tory, I agree. There is no need for a seperatist movement at this time. I don't object to a few organizations keeping our powder dry, though.
Also, it should be noted that it is almost mathematically impossible for a western seperatist federal party to cost us seats by vote splitting in Alberta. If they split the CPC vote down the middle, both the CPC and the new party would still have more votes in each riding that the NDP, Liberals or Green... with the notable exception of Edmonton-Strathcona. Not that I'd want to see it happen. |
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| Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 12:13 am Post subject: |
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| FF_Canuck wrote: | | Jean.01 wrote: | | I would much prefer continuing in the direction of the decentralized Federation that Harper is trying to promote where the Provincial powers are respected and the federal Government concentrates on it's own areas of responsibilities. |
Exactly! That's the way Canada was designed to function - things would be a lot better if be followed the operator's manual. |
Agreed. And also add in that municipalities / cities have their own responsibilities as well. Lower levels of government need to be weaned off of their dependence of being bailed out by higher levels. |
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| Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 12:41 am Post subject: |
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Many years ago I thought about Alberta seperating. After a while you realize that a land locked province like Alberta would have to at least convince BC to go along with it. If that happened it would be the Left Wing Loonies [ LWL ] from Vancouver who would be our masters!
At least the LWL's from Toronto have their influence dilluted by the other voters in Ontario. I will stick with things the way they are. |
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| Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2008 10:40 pm Post subject: Site is now up and Running. See www.itstimetogo.ca |
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Site is now up and Running. See www.itstimetogo.ca
David Crutcher
Executive Director
Western Business and Taxpayer Association (WBTA)
Phone: 403-607-1181
Email: executivedirector@itstimetogo.ca
Websites: www.wbta.ca www.itstimetogo.ca
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| Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 12:43 am Post subject: |
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Well folks I would like us to step back and wait for events to unfold. jack Layton who
played a game of mischief with our nation is not out of the picture yet. he manipulated a weak Liberal Leader and a weak Liberal Party and everyone is still focused on Dion.
He also unleashed old wounds in Canada and we have seen the re-emergence of anti-anglo feelings in Quebec. So calling a separitist a separatist is out of bounds. Adding icing to the poison cake cooked up by Jack layton is the the CBC and it's sick newsreader Don Newman.
The battle for the hearts and minds of Canadians is far from over. I don't support Western seperation, but if the west is going to be cut out once again from the process of Governance then I can't say I blame these folks from feeling the way they do.
What we need to do is to show everyone in Canada that Jack layton and his band of
sharks have harmed our nation and we need to repair it.
The first step is to focus all of energies toward making sure everyone in our Country knows what terrible damage Jack Layton has Caused. If we are very fortunate we will rid our Parliament of his kind of vermin. |
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