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Libertas





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PostPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 6:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Your scored -0.5 on Moral Order and -7 on Moral Rules.



The following categories best match your score (multiple responses are possible):

System: Liberalism
Ideology: Progressive NeoLiberalism, Ultra Liberalism
Party: No match.
Presidents: Ronald Reagan
04' Election: Michael Badnarik
08' Election: Ron Paul


Excellent.
Mac





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Location: John Baird's riding...

PostPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 9:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

chrisreid wrote:
Yup still in Oz. Just heading into the winter season, it's a fridged 12C! :-)

Off to a "New members night" on June 23rd to meet Liberal Party state senators and state legistators and a tour of the state parliament house. Can't wait!

Of course, a Liberal in the land down under would be a "classic liberal" here...

-Mac
chrisreid





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Location: Melbourne, Australia

PostPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 10:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mac wrote:
chrisreid wrote:
Yup still in Oz. Just heading into the winter season, it's a fridged 12C! :-)

Off to a "New members night" on June 23rd to meet Liberal Party state senators and state legistators and a tour of the state parliament house. Can't wait!

Of course, a Liberal in the land down under would be a "classic liberal" here...

-Mac


Haha yes definitely classical liberal - not the bastardized northern american "Liberal".
Although the liberals here are stuck with a John Tory type of national leader - Malcolm Turnbull. A rich business man, that means well, and makes a lot of noise about Labour, but in the end doesn't fundamentally differ from Labour.
Malcolm Turnbull was elected in much the same fashion as John Tory, in an effort to be more "moderate" and distance the party from the John Howard years.
Luckily there is lots of talk of my MP Peter Costello (no relation to Elvis Costello) of taking over the leadership if the Liberals don't win the next election. Costello was John Howard's Treasurer.

It's fascinating to see that on the other side of the world, "moderates" have the exact same defeatist attitude. Conservatives like John Howard, or Mike Harris back in Ontario won elections, yet moderates continously try to move their parties away from winning formulas.
chrisreid





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PostPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Libertas wrote:
We should make a differentiation between "red tories" and centrists. The reality is that there are very few red tories in Canada, the term has been bastardized to the point that it simply means a member of the Conservative/Progressive Conservative Party with a centrist political outlook.


I think the term "centrist" should be banned from political lexicon. Ayn Rand railed against the term centrist, because it doesn't mean the centre, it still ends up being a more expansive and instrusive government, just at a slower pace.

I real "centrist" party would freeze the size of government. But not even the most conservative of parties has been able to do that.
FF_Canuck





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PostPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 10:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

chrisreid wrote:
...because it doesn't mean the centre, it still ends up being a more expansive and instrusive government, just at a slower pace.

Agreed. Without an ideological / philosophical framework that strictly defines the proper role of government, and the integrity to stick to that, bigger government is inevitable. 'Centrism' is really just the inability to say no to the squeaky wheel of the day.
Libertas





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PostPosted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 12:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I think the term "centrist" should be banned from political lexicon. Ayn Rand railed against the term centrist, because it doesn't mean the centre, it still ends up being a more expansive and instrusive government, just at a slower pace.


True enough, maybe "non-aligned" politician would be more appropriate.

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It's fascinating to see that on the other side of the world, "moderates" have the exact same defeatist attitude.


Because they don't learn from their elders.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related
Kerry Forrest





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PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 12:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

KERRY'S SCORE

Your scored 0.5 on Moral Order and -5 on Moral Rules.

The following categories best match your score (multiple responses are possible):

1. System: Conservatism
2. Ideology: Capital Republicanism, Conservative NeoLiberalism
3. Party: Republican Party

This is interesting. The test tells me what fit into.
potan





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PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 2:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A blue tory is a tory and a red tory is not a tory. LOL
bsenka





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PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Libertas wrote:
The whole left/right spectrum is bullshit.

If you want a decent idea of where a person stands when it comes to their ideological principles you should think of it as more of a square or diamond. Libertarianism vs Authoritarianism, Socialism vs Capitalism.

http://www.moral-politics.com/.....logies.All


The funny thing is, I could not disagree more with this tests' assessment of where my political leanings put me.

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Your scored 4.5 on Moral Order and -2.5 on Moral Rules.

The following categories best match your score (multiple responses are possible):
System: Conservatism
Ideology: Capital Republicanism
Party: Republican Party
Presidents: George H. Bush
04' Election: George W. Bush
08' Election: John McCain


Of the 553,300 respondents (9,757 on Facebook):
1% are close to you.
4% are more conservative.
25% are more liberal.
66% are more socialist.
4% are more authoritarian.


Says I'm a hard core Republican, and George W Bush would be one of my favorites. The reality is, I'm forever thankful that I do not live in the US, because I would NEVER vote Republican, and I've never liked any politician less than I do GWB.

Says only 4% of respondents are more conservative than I. Yet I'm a staunch defender of Universal healthcare. I think what we have is a great system that needs a few minor tweaks, while the US system is a complete disaster.
FF_Canuck





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PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 11:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eh, it's got 16 questions, many of which don't get down to philosophy but discuss questions of policy that are pretty contextual.

System: Conservatism
Ideology: Conservative, NeoLiberalism, Ultra Capitalism
Party: Republican Party
Presidents: Ronald Reagan
'04 Election: Michael Badnarik
'08 Election: Ron Paul

Oddly enough, I'm more conservative and more liberal that 99% of the facebookers who took it! :lol:
teenagetory





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PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 9:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TEENAGETORY'S SCORE
Your scored 4 on Moral Order and -5.5 on Moral Rules.

The following categories best match your score (multiple responses are possible):
System: Conservatism
Ideology: Conservative NeoLiberalism
Party: Republican Party
Presidents: George W. Bush
04' Election: George W. Bush
08' Election: John McCain

That seems about right. I guess neo-liberal would be as good a term as any to describe me, although I've been called Neo-con, libertarian, conservative, and anarcho-capitalist by various different people, but I think neo-liberal would be as good as any. I was a bit surprised that Bush was my president since I am more to the right of his economic views. O well. that was a fun way to kill 5 minutes
paisley_cross





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PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 11:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of the 554,536 respondents (9,805 on Facebook):

1. 8% are close to you.
2. 23% are more conservative.
3. 31% are more liberal.
4. 25% are more socialist.
5. 5% are more authoritarian.


That about sums me up. Not hard to the right but certainly more conservative than liberal.
Hasdrubal





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Location: Nova Scotia

PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 4:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
YOUR SCORE

Your scored -4 on Moral Order and -2 on Moral Rules.

The following categories best match your score (multiple responses are possible):

1. System: Liberalism
2. Ideology: Capital Democratism
3. Party: Democratic Party
4. Presidents: Lyndon B. Johnson
5. 04' Election: John Kerry
6. 08' Election: Barrack Obama



Of the 554,592 respondents (9,805 on Facebook):

1. 3% are close to you.
2. 28% are more conservative.
3. 2% are more liberal.
4. 13% are more socialist.
5. 40% are more authoritarian.


I view myself more conservative but the results dictate me as a liberal, does that mean I have to banned?
teenagetory





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PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 4:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe, but your kind of libertarian leaning i think
Mac





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PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 5:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hasdrubal wrote:
I view myself more conservative but the results dictate me as a liberal, does that mean I have to banned?

Are you willing to base how you define yourself politically on an online test? Isn't that like drawing a map based on handwritten notes by an unknown author?

-Mac
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