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PostPosted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 10:31 am    Post subject: The Liberal Platform Debate Reply with quote

Reading it now. What are your first impressions?
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 5:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

crap. Most of it has been announced before.

Remember in the spring the Conservatives claimed that Liberal promises were gonna add up to $68 billion dollars and the Liberals accused the Conservatives of lying?

Guess what the dollar amount is in this platform?
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are some interesting tidbits in it.

Incredibly weak on Healthcare huh? I'm surprised.

One thing that's obvious is that they are replacing the Tax back guarantee with something they could call the "Infrastructure back guarantee"...

Can't wait to see the Tory platform!
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 5:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I also noticed that with the 1% reduction in my income taxes with this plan coupled with the scrapping of the Tory $1200/year child care plan it works out to be basically "NEUTRAL"...

...yet I'll have to pay more for carbon.

The ONE thing that personally resonated with me is that my student loan, which will be going into PAYBACK mode with high interest rates this coming MARCH, will be delayed for an additional year and a half under that plan.

I have $20,000 of student loans to pay off from my doctorate.

That extra year and a half to pay it down without interest would be nice. Hopefully the Tories adopt something similar (as I've emailed my MP about in the past).
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 6:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Except in order to help pay for their student plan, they're canceling tuition credits and student loan interest credits....

So they're taking from your left pocket and putting it in your right pocket.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The end result of implementing such a plan is bigger government and more regulations. Kelly McPartland provides insight.

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The party released its platform today and it is a revelation. The platform revolves largely around Mr. Dion’s Green Shift carbon tax plan. The plan, it says, is “revenue neutral,” meaning the money it brings in will equal the money that goes out. But it entails a mind-boggling array of new laws and bodies intended to establish and oversee the ambitious agenda of climate-change activities it presumes Canadians support. Under the Liberals, climate change will take on a priority equivalent to the effect the Marsall Plan had on post-war Europe: it’s the centre of everything.

Here are a few of the legislative creations the Liberals have in mind. I can’t promise to have caught them all. And I can’t tell you what they’ll all do:

• An Advanced Manufacturing Prosperity Fund
• A Renewable Power Production Incentive
• A system of Green Mortgage Loans
• Something called the Low-income Homes Retrofit Partnership Fund
• A Green Fisheries and Transport Fund
• A Canada-specific comprehensive footprint calculator
• A Canada Gold Standard for carbon offsets
• A National Adaptation Strategy on climate change
• A new Interdisciplinary Sustainability Fund
• “Tough new” National Ambient Air Quality Standards
• A new National Water Strategy
• A Canada Water Fund
• A National Water Council
• A new Water Efficiency Act
• A Toxic Substances Reduction Strategy
• A Network for Children’s Environmental Health and Disease Prevention Research (the NCEHDPR for short)
• A National Ecosystem Stewardship Strategy
• A Federal Sustainable Development Act
• A Canadian Environmental Bill of Rights


http://network.nationalpost.co.....l-sre.aspx

In trying to establish themselves as the natural stewards of the economy, Dion and company say they're following the winning strategies of Chretien and Martin, the so-called deficit slayers. The media keeps replaying a clip of Dion's reference to Chretien and Martin. This will blow up in their faces because it reminds Canadians of the corrupted elements of the Liberal Party which are still present there today. Keep that clip rolling.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 8:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cool Blue wrote:
Except in order to help pay for their student plan, they're canceling tuition credits and student loan interest credits....

So they're taking from your left pocket and putting it in your right pocket.


True but I just graduated! :lol:
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 8:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You get the interest credit after you graduate like me.

I get about $1000 in credit a year thanks to this and the Libs are going to cancel it and offer me nothing in return.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 9:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was not aware of this. Where do I get more info on that??
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