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 Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 7:24 pm Post subject: A different spin |
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| I have been listening to all the hype and discussion about this topic and I think everyone is way off base. I think I can safely say that everyone reading this has at one point been faced with a stressful situation. And during that time sometimes things get said in a way of expressing frustration and even anger at the problem. I don't think he did anything wrong. Yes no one likes to think he was making "jokes", but I don't see it that way at all. What I see is a minister that was working his "---" off all hours of the night and day and doing a damn good job and in the heat of a very stressful meeting let off some steam expressing his frustration. To think he was making jokes about the deaths caused by this is outrageous. These people will do anything to try and get at PMSH. Our PM has been accused of being like Hitler, has been called a liar, and has been portrayed as : the man with the hidden agenda". And we all know the records and history of those doing the accusing. Well I've seen the man in action for the past 2yrs, and I'd love to see what he is hiding. What we have seen so far has been better than this country has seen in 30 years. Bring on the rest Mr Harper. |
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| Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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This is getting bad. and we're screwed either way. I don't see any point in me campaigning anymore. In a couple of days the polls will show a liberal victory. The headlines are already starting. They're gaining in Ontario and Quebec. We had a fragile enough lead as it is.
I hate stupid politics. It's pointless trying to win as a conservative. The whole country is against us and any slight mistake will sink the whole party. We're going to have the combined total of reform and pc in 1993 at most.
I hate this stupid election. |
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mrsocko
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| Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | This is getting bad. and we're screwed either way. I don't see any point in me campaigning anymore. In a couple of days the polls will show a liberal victory. The headlines are already starting. They're gaining in Ontario and Quebec. We had a fragile enough lead as it is. |
Keep your head up.
The worst we can do is 15 more seats in Quebec and the same # of seats in the rest of Canada. Thats 142 seats and a bankrupt Liberal party. In other words a majority for 4 years(or at least until the pick a new leader). even if they pick a new leader they will still be close to bankruptcy.
The CPC is a grass roots party. Who cares what the media report.. The only place this crap will hurt us is the Maritmes and Ontario. I think the more scandals the more people will begin to think that maybe the media is out to get th CPC and it will back fire on them. |
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| Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 9:57 pm Post subject: |
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The Liberals have issued a press release saying Harper is blaming bureaucrats for the leaked conference call. David Akin picked it up on his blog.
http://davidakin.blogware.com/.....90625.html
This could be the front cover story tomorrow.
If this get any worse, I hope Ritz decides that this is dragging down the Conservatives' otherwise fine campaign and tenders his resignation as Minister of Agriculture. But I think he should still run as a candidate and let his constituents decide on his merit.
The Liberals have this bone clenched firmly between their teeth and will not let go. |
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Joahob
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| Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 12:17 am Post subject: |
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| hamiltonguyo wrote: | This is getting bad. and we're screwed either way. I don't see any point in me campaigning anymore. In a couple of days the polls will show a liberal victory. The headlines are already starting. They're gaining in Ontario and Quebec. We had a fragile enough lead as it is.
I hate stupid politics. It's pointless trying to win as a conservative. The whole country is against us and any slight mistake will sink the whole party. We're going to have the combined total of reform and pc in 1993 at most.
I hate this stupid election. |
Why are you loosing perspective so easily? The era of the liberal MSM is over. This will blow over soon enough. The Liberals are no longer the national governing party of Canada. Nothing this trite is going to change that. The Conservatives will easily win this election with a stronger seat total than before. |
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| Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 1:44 am Post subject: |
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I honestly dont think anyone takes much notice of silly comments at election time unless it comes from the top. This is so trivial, think it will blow over in a day 
Do however think Dion sounded desperate today , he promised the earth, moon and sky to the tune of 70 billion.
Man it is so fashionable right now green hystaria, i think Stephen Harper needs to address this issue a little more from his platform as it carries a lot of female vote. Dions "enviro-fame" plan at literally any cost is sooo scary. |
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| Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 2:00 am Post subject: Environmental issue |
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| I think the polls reflect the left wing green hysteria by all other parties. Harper is not addressing the issue in his speaches. Although i think Dions plan is economic suicide and wont change anything but our wallets and is as much about seeking "enviro-fame" with a fashionable issue. i do think it holds a lot of female vote and undecideds, so needs to be addressed not dismissed. |
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kwlafayette
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| Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 9:20 am Post subject: |
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| TorontoCon wrote: | | Cool Blue wrote: | | My hunch is that nobody besides the MSM and opposition parties will care. |
Frankly, I care. These are supposed to be real leaders of our Country. Someone above said that he should have had the commonsense not to say those things in a meeting with scientists, bureaucrats, etc...
I say that we shouldn't have people in parliament that even THINK in those terms.
It's not a matter of being overly sensitive. It is a matter that somebody's child died. Somebody's elderly mother or father died prematurely. Somebody's wife or husband died...
Really awful...
I also say toast him. It won't effect my vote either way but this type of arrogance and bullish behavior reminds me of the old Liberals... I don't like it at all. |
I cannot believe what people get worked up over these days. I mean, the guy told an inappropriate joke. If you really think he should lose his job over it, then I say let he who is without guilt cast the first stone. You ever got drunk at a company Christmas party? You are also a candidate for firing. Ever have a moment of rage while contemplating Caledonia or Ipperwash? Fired. The fact is people say regrettable things every day, and the appropriate action is almost always forgive and move on.
You freaking blameless puritans who have never done or said or thought anything regrettable in your entire lives are admirable for your purity, but unfortunately the majority of us can understand the situation that Ritz finds himself in because we have been there.
That Liberal guy with the army/natives comment? I probably would have agreed with him if you asked at the right moment, so I guess I get fired too. This stuff is getting blown up out of all proportion. |
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FF_Canuck
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| Mac wrote: | Politicians are human (well, most of 'em) and it's neither possible nor advisable to be 100% serious at all times. A sense of humour is usually an asset.
I find the remark quite funny but let's face it- police and other emergency response workers have an ample dose of gallows humour. It helps to keep us sane. Perhaps a few of you who are calling for Ritz's head on a platter should visit your doctor and have your funny bone checked?
How many times have Conservatives been accused of being thin-skinned and having no sense of humour when a Liberal makes a clever jibe? Well, if they can't have it both ways. Ritz apologized and it's time to get over it.
-Mac |
Gotta admit, I saw the headline and laughed pretty hard. I get why people are upset, but come-on, a resignation? Ritz is a great agriculture minister, and it would be foolish to toss him over such small potatoes. |
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| Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 1:33 pm Post subject: |
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We have a guy on the radio, big Harper fan and has been as far back as I can remember. Came down hard on Ritz this morning. And to a lesser degree on the other gaffes, like the staffer telling an aboriginal guy only to show up sober.
More in sorrow than in anger but his message to Harper was this: shut these clowns up. |
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| Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 3:03 pm Post subject: |
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and the fallout continues:
CPC 39%
Libs 28%
According to Nanos they've widened their lead with the Libs dropping two points. |
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| Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Cool Blue wrote: | and the fallout continues:
CPC 39%
Libs 28%
According to Nanos they've widened their lead with the Libs dropping two points. |
I would suggest that this is in spite of the gaffes. Let's be thankful that the Libs are in such disarray. |
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| Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 5:08 pm Post subject: |
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I'm now learning the government bureaucrats are calling for Ritz's resignation. This is bad. Has the civil service ever interfered like this before?
While we know the civil service is doing someone completely unethical, the public thinks public servants are impartial saints.
This is going to kill us. Maybe not as far as I suggested, but we will loose seats, especially in Saskatchewan.
If we didn't screw up so much, we'd be at 45% by now. This is so frustrating. I'm putting a lot of time and effort to secure a Tory win in Hamilton Mountain, and its all going out the window. Why do we bother to fight the good fight, when our Ministers can't stop themselves from screwing us over? |
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| Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 5:35 pm Post subject: |
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| hamiltonguyo wrote: |
This is going to kill us. Maybe not as far as I suggested, but we will loose seats, especially in Saskatchewan.
If we didn't screw up so much, we'd be at 45% by now. This is so frustrating. I'm putting a lot of time and effort to secure a Tory win in Hamilton Mountain, and its all going out the window. Why do we bother to fight the good fight, when our Ministers can't stop themselves from screwing us over? |
I understand that nobody likes to see their hard work wasted because of something stupid (ie: John Tory's faith-based funding). That being said, this is only week 2. An election campaign is a marathon, not a sprint. And every campaign has it's "gaffes".... think positive ...... maybe they are all out of the way now for us! 
And may I respectfully suggest that you take a one-night or weekend break and avoid politics during that time ...... sit back, relax and renew yourself by having a [pick drink of choice] herbal tea, beer, good Canadian liquor, or whatever; repeat until you are relaxed and ready to go back at with a CAN-DO positive attitude! |
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| Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 7:05 pm Post subject: |
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I'm now learning the government bureaucrats are calling for Ritz's resignation. This is bad. Has the civil service ever interfered like this before? |
Technically it's the union calling for his resignation...the same union that is advising it's members to vote BQ in order to stop Harper. |
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