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Cool Blue





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PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2008 4:57 pm    Post subject: 10 Inconvenient Truths Environmentalists Deny Reply with quote

http://www.wired.com/science/p.....sies_intro

10 GREEN HERESIES

Live in Cities:
Urban Living Is Kinder to the Planet Than the Suburban Lifestyle

A/C Is OK:
Air-Conditioning Actually Emits Less C02 Than Heating

Organics Are Not the Answer:
Surprise! Conventional Agriculture Can Be Easier on the Planet

Farm the Forests:
Old-Growth Forests Can Actually Contribute to Global Warming

China Is the Solution:
The People's Republic Leads the Way in Alternative-Energy Hardware

Accept Genetic Engineering:
Superefficient Frankencrops Could Put a Real Dent in Greenhouse Gas Emissions

Carbon Trading Doesn't Work:
Carbon Credits Were a Great Idea, But the Benefits Are Illusory

Embrace Nuclear Power:
Face It. Nukes Are the Most Climate-Friendly Industrial-Scale Form of Energy

Used Cars Not Hybrids:
Don't Buy That New Prius! Test-Drive a Used Car Instead

Prepare for the Worst:
Climate Change Is Inevitable. Get Used to It

Read the article for more details.
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PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2008 5:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ha! According to the comments left under that article, the author has ruffled some feathers!

Apart from his claim that city living is better for the environment, I tend to agree with the author.
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PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2008 5:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cool Blue wrote:
Apart from his claim that city living is better for the environment, I tend to agree with the author.

I thought that was the most obvious one on the list.

Nuclear power and cutting down old growth forests may reduce CO2, but I don't think you can claim that they are good for the environment...
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PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2008 5:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

City living vs rural living really depends on your lifestyle.


..actually I read it over and the claim was that city was better than SUBURBAN, not rural.


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PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2008 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Nuclear power and cutting down old growth forests may reduce CO2, but I don't think you can claim that they are good for the environment.


Responsible forest management is good for the environment.

I read once that there are more trees in Canada now than before Europeans arrived. The theory is that when a forest fire started back then, there was no way to stop it.
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PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2008 6:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/.....;refer=oil

It is laughable what happens when you let activists write your policies.[/quote]
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PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2008 7:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Like I said on SDA In fairness, most trucks are "flex-fuel" now. It allows them to claim tax credits as an "alternative fuel" vehicle despite the fact that their owners will probably never fill them with alternative fuels.

You can't avoid purchasing them.

I bet if you looked into it, you'd also find that a "high percentage" of Albertans also own "Alternative fuel" vehicles, that is, anybody who purchased a North American truck in the last 10 years or so.
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PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2008 11:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not really the guy buying the new truck's fault that there are no E85 stations out there though. For something with such a big push on it, it is amazing that no one has opened up a biofuel station anywhere I frequent.
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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2008 8:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Exactly. Eventhough he's not buying E85 , he's still technically driving an alternative fuel vehicle.

In my area there is only one station that has E85 that I know of and that's in Ottawa.
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PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2008 8:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't really agree with the genetic engineering one.
Here is an excellent lecture on Google video by a woman named Vandana Shiva that you should watch:

http://video.google.com/videop.....&hl=en

It takes a bit to get going, but is well worth it if you're interested in this topic. Another, shorter video to check out is here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Av6dx9yNiCA
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PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2008 8:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eventually with genetic engineering we could grow super-nutritious food in any environment.

You won't have to use fertilizers, pesticides and it can be grown locally anywhere. That would be great for the environment.
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PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2008 11:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Eventually with genetic engineering we could grow super-nutritious food in any environment.


Franken Food. mmmmm.
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PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2008 12:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.cqs.com/50harm.htm
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PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2008 2:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Franken Food. mmmmm.


Ever eaten corn?

I don't mind "Frankenfood" (a leftist propaganda term). We've been genetically engineering food through selective breeding for hundreds of years now, genetic engineering just allows what would have taken hundreds (if not thousands) of years in the past.

Ever seen what corn looked like before humans started modifying it? A cob used to be only a 3-4 inches long with hardly any kernels on it.
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PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2008 8:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cool Blue wrote:
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Franken Food. mmmmm.


Ever eaten corn?

I don't mind "Frankenfood" (a leftist propaganda term). We've been genetically engineering food through selective breeding for hundreds of years now, genetic engineering just allows what would have taken hundreds (if not thousands) of years in the past.


Um, selective breeding good. Genetic modification bad.
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