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mrsocko





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PostPosted: Sat May 17, 2008 9:18 am    Post subject: 32,000 deniers Reply with quote

http://www.nationalpost.com/op.....76&p=2

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Using a subset of the mailing list of American Men and Women of Science, a who's who of Science, Robinson mailed out his solicitations through the postal service, requesting signed petitions of those who agreed that Kyoto was a danger to humanity. The response rate was extraordinary, "much, much higher than anyone expected, much higher than you'd ordinarily expect," he explained. He's processed more than 31,000 at this point, more than 9,000 of them with PhDs, and has another 1,000 or so to go -- most of them are already posted on a Web site at petitionproject.org.

Why go to this immense effort all over again, when the press might well ignore the tens of thousands of scientists who are standing up against global warming alarmism?

"I hope the general public will become aware that there is no consensus on global warming," he says, "and I hope that scientists who have been reluctant to speak up will now do so, knowing that they aren't alone."



Press conference on Monday in Washington. Wonder if it gets reported.
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PostPosted: Sat May 17, 2008 1:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I expect Al Gore to strap on his armour and challenge these petty fools! Call the Climate Change Cult to order, Dr. Suzuki... it's time for battle!!

-Mac
donmuntean





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PostPosted: Sat May 17, 2008 2:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There IS 'some' climate change - the pace of the changes indicate that it is indeed related to human activity...

I just don't know what good can come from denial of this...clearly we can see that polar ice has been disappearing at a rate almost three times faster than projected by climate models!

At some point human activity is going to impact the world in a perilous manner. Are we in denial about pollution? For instance - we know that we are using a myriad of chemicals and at an exponentially phenomenal rate. Our soil and water is at risk from chemicals abuse.

While there may be question as to the extent of the damages and magnitude of the changes to climate - there is change and it is going to continue. Winters that are colder summers that are hotter - more freak storms...less rain here more rain there...

Whether it's in 50 years or in 500 years - if the results of our current 'economic activity' are overtly significant resources depletion and environmental degradation - then - we have to do something. We cannot hand over our mess to the next generations...so today's world can make billions selling plastic everything...we need to strike a balance at some point.



[cartoon inspired by a 'Frank and Ernest' comic strip I saw back in the early 90's]


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FascistLibertarian





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PostPosted: Sat May 17, 2008 6:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How many of the PhD's are climatologists?
Mac





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PostPosted: Sat May 17, 2008 6:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

FascistLibertarian wrote:
How many of the PhD's are climatologists?

How many of the IPCC's "consensus" are climatologists?

-Mac
Sheila





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PostPosted: Sun May 18, 2008 8:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good point, Mac.
According to the book "Taken By Storm" by Christopher Essex and Ross McKitrick, global warming is a liberal state of mind. On the back cover is a quote by the Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society "Science Advisors and policy makers would do well to read "Taken By Storm".
Remember the Titanic in 1912, it hit an iceberg. It's not like icebergs are a new thing. Krakatoia actually lowered the earth's temperature by a few degrees when it blew in the late 1800's. Last spring we had more rain than we've had in almost 40 years. We have always had weird weather as that is one thing we can always be sure of.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 10:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another article on the topic.
http://www.aapsonline.org/newsoftheday/0026
I guess Dale Goldhawk was wrong last Sunday when he said the debate was over.
donmuntean





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PostPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 3:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

...Can we see what the weather was before the industrial revolution began?
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