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PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2008 11:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If you have a better interpretion, I'm waiting.........................


He was talking about the evils of money and it's corrupting influence.

Believing that Jesus was ordering Christians to kill non-believers makes no sense in light of all the rest of his words and actions.

If you have anything to back up your interpretation please present it.
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PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2008 11:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sheila wrote:
Cool Blue wrote:
Harper is a rather religious man actually. He attends church every Sunday (he's our first Evangelical PM).


You've only proved that he does not attend church every Sunday.
And I love the definition of a Customizing Christian. :lol:


I'm merely pointing out your post which specifically states that he attends church every Sunday. No anger involved, you're the one that said it. :D
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PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2008 11:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Luke 19:11 "While they were listening to these things he (Jesus) spoke in addition an illustration, because he was near Jerusalem and they were imagining that the kingdom of God was going to display itself instantly. Therefore he said: " A certain man of noble birth traveled to a distant land to secure kingly power for himself and to return.""
Sounds pretty straight forward to me.
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PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2008 11:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'm merely pointing out your post which specifically states that he attends church every Sunday.


I understand he does, not only through printed articles I've read, but also through personal contacts.

Nothing I've posted contradicts this.

If you really want to know with certainty, I'd research it yourself.
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PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2008 11:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Sounds pretty straight forward to me.


With that portion you've quoted, it could be anyone actually.

According to the rest of the parable, this king was rich and owned slaves, which doesn't fit the description of Jesus.
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PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2008 11:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh those cosmopolitan Saudis:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/.....10C1TA.DTL

If you want to understand why murderous Islamic extremists still pour out of the Middle East, consider a small drama under way in Saudi Arabia right now.

A few weeks ago, one of the nation's most senior religious authorities directed that two reporters for a mainstream Saudi newspaper be executed for publishing stories suggesting that religions other than Islam are worthy of respect. In Saudi Arabia, malefactors are beheaded by sword, as the nation calls the punishment, often in public, outside a mosque just after Friday prayers. By official count, authorities beheaded 151 people last year.

So far, the two reporters, Abdullah bin Bejad al-Otaibi and Yousef Aba al-Khail, have not been put under the sword. They are still working at their newspaper, Al Riyadh. But they are reported to be terrified, and they have called on the government for protection. It has not responded, and the other Saudi papers have barely even mentioned the controversy.

None of this comes as much of a surprise to Saudi Arabia experts.

In some ways it's routine. Last week, as an example, a Saudi appeals court agreed to hear the case of a Turkish barber who was sentenced to death by sword for taking the Lord's name in vain in his barbershop one afternoon.

But the debate over the reporters offers a window into Saudi thinking and helps explain why so many Saudis dedicate themselves to anti-Western jihads. If a respected religious authority calls for the execution of someone who simply suggests that people holding other faiths deserve respect, doesn't that tell Saudis that the lives of Christians, Jews, Hindu and Buddhists are of lesser value?


Abdul-Rahman al-Barrak, a 75-year-old sheikh, issued the fatwa calling for the journalists' death. In Saudi Arabia, he is a leading authority on Wahhabism, the country's fundamentalist form of Sunni Islam.

"It's disgraceful that articles containing this kind of apostasy should be published in some papers in Saudi Arabia," he wrote last month. If the reporters do not repent, they "should be killed," he wrote.
Barrak is not just some cranky old miscreant. He is a member of the Saudi legislature, appointed by the king. Barrak spent a long career in senior positions at a respected government-funded university.

Soon after, 20 other senior Saudi clerics stood up to enthusiastically endorse Barrak's fatwa. Later, about 100 human-rights advocates from across the region condemned the edict, calling it intellectual terrorism. That had little visible impact in Riyadh.

But a striking feature of this episode is that the Saudi government has not said or done anything about it - probably because King Abdullah realizes that many and perhaps most members of Saudi Arabia's religious establishment agree with Barrak. After all, two weeks after he issued that fatwa, the legislature soundly defeated a proposal, favored by the Arab League, to adopt a law promoting respect for other religions. The vote was 77-33.
Still, Abdullah could not possibly have forgotten the world outrage that greeted the Saudi court decision last fall to administer 200 lashes to a 20-year-old woman who had been gang raped. The White House called this outrageous, and Abdullah eventually had to pardon the woman.

But even if he were so inclined, the king cannot easily interfere with a religious edict - especially one issued by a member of his own government. So instead, he issued a tepid appeal for an international inter-faith dialogue between Muslims, Christians and Jews "to help end inter-religious tensions," the Saudi government said.

No details were provided. Right away, though, one of Israel's chief rabbis, Yona Metzger, announced that "our hand is outstretched to any peace initiative and any dialogue that is intended to bring an end to terror and violence." So far, however, Metzger remains empty-handed.

Barrak's history is littered with pronouncements that many in the West would consider outrageous. A few years ago he decreed that Sunni Muslims not only had the right but also the duty to kill Shiite Muslims who openly practice their faith. (Among Saudi fundamentalists, talking about killing Shiites is a popular intellectual blood sport.)

More recently, Barrak was the lead signatory on a religious edict urging Saudi men to fight "the joint venture by the crusaders" and the Shia "to further their greedy designs" on Iraq. The Shiite goal, the edict added, was "to protect the occupying Jews and to besiege Sunnis throughout the region."

Others signing this missive last year included university deans and presidents as well as judges and senior government officials.

Once again, not surprisingly, the king had nothing to say.

Joel Brinkley is a professor of journalism at Stanford University and a former New York Times foreign correspondent. E-mail him at insight@sfchronicle.com.
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PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2008 2:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Partial quotes a popular tool among those who wish to smear someone or something. Splicing different quotes together to form a damning but wholly fictional quote, ala Micheal Moore on Charleton Heston, will probably be next.
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PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2008 4:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kwlafayette wrote:
Partial quotes a popular tool among those who wish to smear someone or something. Splicing different quotes together to form a damning but wholly fictional quote, ala Micheal Moore on Charleton Heston, will probably be next.


It's all good, I like to be able to see who they are, just like sharing the road with a drunk driver, I rather have then in front of me where I can observe them, then behind me where they can cause damage. :wink:
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PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2008 5:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Partial quotes a popular tool among those who wish to smear someone or something.


Its cool when its used against islam but not christianity?
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PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2008 6:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

FascistLibertarian wrote:
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Partial quotes a popular tool among those who wish to smear someone or something.


Its cool when its used against islam but not christianity?


If folks were quoting those taken out of context, so called "dangerous passages" today and using them to justify genocide/mass murder/got to take over the world at sword point/suicide vests for Christ I could see the reasoning, man I'd be the first to poop bricks, But to my knowledge we aren't. But then again I could just be another sleeper agent for Jihadists for Jesus. :wink:
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PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2008 9:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

FascistLibertarian wrote:
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Partial quotes a popular tool among those who wish to smear someone or something.


Its cool when its used against islam but not christianity?


The following non-Islamic countries have an "Islam" problem...

Thailand
India
China
USA
England
Spain
Russia
Israel
Ethiopia
Netherlands

The following Islamic countries have an Islam problem...

Sudan
Liberia
Somalia
Indonesia

Please feel free to add to the list.

Where are Christians cutting off heads and trying to take over? Nowhere. We could be in Iraq but Christians aren't like that. Instead, of trying to decapitate Muslims we are trying to save them and build a democracy for them at a great cost to ourselves.

Where ever Islam goes violence follows.
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PostPosted: Wed May 07, 2008 3:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The following non-Islamic countries have an "Islam" problem...


Don't forget France...oh wait, that's a "youth" problem they have :roll:
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PostPosted: Wed May 07, 2008 9:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya unt Sweden was having a balance issue with teenage girls that kept falling off their balconies when the families found out they had non-Muslim boyfriends. So many in fact that this translated cartoon appeared in the Paper.


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PostPosted: Wed May 07, 2008 10:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kwlafayette wrote:
Partial quotes a popular tool among those who wish to smear someone or something. Splicing different quotes together to form a damning but wholly fictional quote, ala Micheal Moore on Charleton Heston, will probably be next.


Are you trying to suggest that I spliced Luke 19. I did no such thing. Unfortunately for you everyone has a bible and can look it up themselves. And for you to suggest such a thing is utterly reprehensible. Very libelous in fact.
There's another quote for you "Good, bad, I'm the one with the gun". By Ash.
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PostPosted: Wed May 07, 2008 11:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

crazymamma wrote:
kwlafayette wrote:
Partial quotes a popular tool among those who wish to smear someone or something. Splicing different quotes together to form a damning but wholly fictional quote, ala Micheal Moore on Charleton Heston, will probably be next.


It's all good, I like to be able to see who they are, just like sharing the road with a drunk driver, I rather have then in front of me where I can observe them, then behind me where they can cause damage. :wink:


I am certainly disappointed in you crazymamma. Knowing full well the quote from Luke 19 was not spliced. Instead of pointing this out, you jumped right on the bandwagon. This is the type of mentality which I don't believe is "good christian values". You side with your Christian Brethen instead of doing the right thing. You accused me of being with the KKK crazymamma. Are you sure that you're not? Should I expect a public hanging soon?
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