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Craig
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 8:37 am    Post subject: 'Forget global warming, prepare for Ice Age' Reply with quote

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SUNSPOT activity has not resumed up after hitting an 11-year low in March last year, raising fears that - far from warming - the globe is about to return to an Ice Age.

Astronaut and geophysicist Phil Chapman, the first Australian to become an astronaut with NASA, said pictures from the US Solar and Heliospheric Observatory showed no spots on the sun.

He said the world cooled quickly between January last year and January this year, by about 0.7C.

"This is the fastest temperature change in the instrumental record, and it puts us back to where we were in 1930," Dr Chapman writes in The Australian today.

"If the temperature does not soon recover, we will have to conclude that global warming is over."


So will all those lefties celebrate that the world is going to be okay? Of course not - this was NOTHING more than a political vehicle for them and they would rather see the world burn for the sake of political power.

http://www.news.com.au/story/0.....98,00.html
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 9:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Call me naive, call me selfish... but from the reports I've read, if Global Warming is really happening, from the models I've seen, CANADA stands to benefit. Our usable land mass will increase, the tree line will move northward, Canada will have the best farmland in the world, minimal drought in the prairies, we have lots of water (although some models say that the great lakes will lower...), Northern development will be a focus, etc etc....

Europe will be hit with heat waves, India and surrounding areas will be in real trouble, Autralia will have major droughts, as will the midwestern USA.

The poorest nations will be hit hardest with famine.

I have not read ONE report saying that Canada will have MAJOR problems....

...but maybe we are in a global cooling period (which would actually be worse for us here in Canada...)

In any case, we need to expand our military to protect our rich resources in an uncertain future (with nations eventually starving for oil, uranium, water, natural gas.....). We're sitting on a WEALTH of resources and we need to take off our rose colored glasses and plan for 50 years down the line when the world could be a very different place with OVERPOPULATION sucking the resources dry.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 10:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When did Malthus first publish his dire predictions of over population? Oh yeah, 1798. Hasn't happened yet.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 11:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The world isn't infinite. There's limited fish, limited fertile land for farming, limited resources, etc. For every person born into this world, that's one more mouth to feed and one more person that needs energy for living, and getting around.

Have we hit a crisis?

Absolutely not.

But why would we just turn a blind eye to the possibility? Why would we sit back and wait for one to happen?

The key here is conservation and just being more responsible and less wasteful. We can't stop population growth so it's the next best thing.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 11:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is not our population that is growing, so unless you are proposing that we nuke China or India to control the problem, there is nothing we can do about it.

If China wants our resources, it does not matter how big our army is in 50 years. If everyone in the country above the age of 16 was trained and given a gun, that would give us what, 30 million soldiers? They could send 10 times that number, and still have a billion in reserve. If we had 4 times the training and technology of their soldiers, we would be able to take out twice our number, that leaves 8 foreign invaders standing vs 1 of ours dead at the end of it all. We could build a wall of sea mines to repel their landing ships I suppose, but that is about the only option. They could literally beat us with sharpened sticks, just through shear weight of numbers.

Another point to ponder, is that China will be ideally positioned to wage aggressive wars in the near future. In fact, it may be a necessity for them to do so. The one child per family law is producing a disproportionate number of boys, and too few girls. What do you have when you have crowds of young men with no prospect of reproductive success? You have a bunch of angry young men spoiling for a fight, and you can send them off to fight someone else, or you can fight them yourself.

What you should be against here is the proliferation of organic farming and bio fuels. Bio fuel takes food away directly. Organic farming takes it away indirectly, by producing less per acre. I so wish we would simply allow hippies to starve themselves from existence without interfering.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 2:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A little over the top...

This is about conservation and responsible stewardship.... I already said that we can't do anything about population growth.

But we do need to protect our resources nonetheless.

We don't need to be so "doom and gloom" about the future, but we do need to be realistic of possible threats that might arise. I agree with you there.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 2:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I also agree that biofuels are not the answer.

I wonder what % of total food production in Canada is ORGANIC?? Any stats on that?
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 5:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CO2 might actually be increasing the amount of farmland in Africa. From the latest edition of National Geographic (pg.44 in the foldout) about the Sahel zone at the edge of the Sahara:

"UNEXPECTED GROWTH..satellite data since 1982 shows areas where vegetation-natural and cultivated-has increased more than expected from increases in rainfall. This may be because rising levels of CO2 in the air have promoted plant growth, which enhances the soils ability to hold water, leading in turn to more growth."
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TorontoCon wrote:
I also agree that biofuels are not the answer.

I wonder what % of total food production in Canada is ORGANIC?? Any stats on that?
No idea. No one I know is a certified organic grower. Further, no one has even made the attempt to become one, chemical just makes it so much easier to farm.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 11:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TorontoCon wrote:
The world isn't infinite. There's limited fish, limited fertile land for farming, limited resources, etc. For every person born into this world, that's one more mouth to feed and one more person that needs energy for living, and getting around.


Someone tell that to the ants. What are they thinking?!?
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 8:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.montana.edu/cpa/new.....82&log

Sun goes longer than normal without producing sunspots

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Dana Longcope, a solar physicist at MSU, said the sun usually operates on an 11-year cycle with maximum activity occurring in the middle of the cycle. Minimum activity generally occurs as the cycles change. Solar activity refers to phenomena like sunspots, solar flares and solar eruptions. Together, they create the weather than can disrupt satellites in space and technology on earth.

The last cycle reached its peak in 2001 and is believed to be just ending now, Longcope said. The next cycle is just beginning and is expected to reach its peak sometime around 2012. Today's sun, however, is as inactive as it was two years ago, and scientists aren't sure why.

"It's a dead face," Tsuneta said of the sun's appearance.

Tsuneta said solar physicists aren't like weather forecasters; They can't predict the future. They do have the ability to observe, however, and they have observed a longer-than-normal period of solar inactivity. In the past, they observed that the sun once went 50 years without producing sunspots. That period coincided with a little ice age on Earth that lasted from 1650 to 1700.


Craig - are you clairvoyant!
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 9:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TorontoCon wrote:
I wonder what % of total food production in Canada is ORGANIC?? Any stats on that?


Here are the stats in Canada on what is GMO:
http://www.i-sis.org.uk/canadianFarmersGMOs.php
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 12:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let me guess... the lack of sunspot activity is because humans haven't embraced socialism so if we want to save the planet... :roll:

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 5:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I cannot believe that any government in Canada has started taxing carbon. But is has happened. Here in the 2nd coldest country on the planet, we have 1 (and probably more to come) governments who feel like taking a tax grab from their constituents who only want to stay warm. They are not going to allow that!!!

Good timing too. Heating costs, food costs, gas costs, transportation costs, etc are through the roof. And to that, that this summer is so cold that my furnace wants to turn on in July. I won't let it so am sitting here in July in sweat pants and 2 sweaters.


I guess the question is who is going to pay the polititians when they kill us all or we all leave?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 9:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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No one I know is a certified organic grower.


You would have to be cerified to be an organic farmer. A guy was trying to get me to plant organic Soy beans. You will get $25 a bushel he said. I talked to my father in-law who told me 1 time in ten you will get $25/bushel and if the quality of the beans is low you get market. Plus the yeild is alot lower.

I'm glad I stuck with roundup ready and the $1 a bushel premium they pay. Money in my pocket!
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