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TorontoCon





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PostPosted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 9:28 pm    Post subject: OIL Reply with quote

Why? you ask, is "Oil" in the Military thread?

Fast forward 30 years... Canada is ALREADY #2 in WORLDWIDE oil supply (at least to the USA). Thirty years from now we might be #1 in the entire world and all eyes will be on Canada's rich oil reserves....

My question is simple. How dangerous is that.......?

Should Canada start planning now for the oil war of the future?

What steps should be taken politically, diplomatically and through the military to prepare for the inevitable.

Worldwide Oil WILL run out and Canada might have the last few drops.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 9:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Number one in the world for oil AND water - the future is bright my friends.

It should also be noted that the USA has double the amount of coal as any other country in the world.

To answer your question - I think we need to start increasing the amount we spend on our military now to help prepare us for the situation in 20 years.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 10:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who will we ultimately be protecting ourselves from?

...and will we ever see combat on Canadian soil?
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 10:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes oil is a non-renewable resource, but its not going anywhere soon.

Their is enough oil in Alberta ALONE to last the world's current demand for a century.

I don't think oil wars will happen anytime soon.

But Canada is positioned well, oil is throughout our country in Alberta, the Prairies, the North (Bearing Sea) and Newfoundland.

We also have an abundance of fresh water and other valuable natural resources.

This is why we need a damn strong military, so we can never be attacked for our resources.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 10:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

While I am strongly in support of reinvesting in our military, it would quite frankly be impossible for us to defend ourselves entirely on our own against the most likely threats (Russia, China) in what is (IMO) a far-fetched scenario. We're at most 10 years away from economic and technological viability for shale-oil, of which the continental US has the largest potential reserve in the world, and Canada a substantial amount. Water is possibly a more pressing concern, as Craig mentioned.

But for the sake of discussion, what can we do to plan for such an event? A mandatory service modeled on Switzerland or Israel, with an expanded volunteer military core. Inclusion the ICBM shield, increased cooperation with the US in NORAD and similar programs. Develop stronger ties with our NATO Allies, while pressuring for reform of NATO from within. Considering our small population, we should always be on the lookout for force multipliers and alternatives like armed UAVs. Every CF trade a soldier, every soldier a marksman.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 10:33 pm    Post subject: Re: OIL Reply with quote

TorontoCon wrote:
Worldwide Oil WILL run out and Canada might have the last few drops.

Let's hope we find a new source of energy before that happens...
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 10:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't forget that Canada also has a large chunk of the world's uranium supply.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 12:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's an interesting article on Oil Reserves at Wikipedia: Link

Apparently, the US Oilshales could supply current US production for 110 years. We have enough oilsands for 150 years at current production.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 12:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Venezuela has more tar sands then we do. If there is going to be a war that's the place it's going start, in a banana republic not a fully developed democracy.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 1:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nothing needs to be done. There are plenty of unconventional reserves out there. Oil shale in the US for one, starts to become practical when the price of oil gets even higher than now. They have a trillions barrels worth of oil shale by the way, more oil than we have in tar sands, and easier to get at with no need for an army.

Another thing, we use 1/4 the oil today to do that same work than we did in the 70s. Eventually, it will be demand that peaks, not supply. Hubbert got it reversed.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 3:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Check and see who the biggest shareholders are of the corporations currently mining the oil sands. Follow the money and you'll find out who is in control.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sheila wrote:
Check and see who the biggest shareholders are of the corporations currently mining the oil sands. Follow the money and you'll find out who is in control.


Everything is a conspiracy isn't it Sheila.
TorontoCon





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PostPosted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm personally losing patience with conspiracy theorists (my mother in law is glued to the computer 24/7....).

911
Aspartame
Fluoride
UFO's
Kennedy
vaccinations

I CAN'T TAKE IT ANYMORE!!!! aaaarrgghhh!

Just needed to vent....

I suppose... that the world is REALLY run by a committee of 4 people.... (I heard my mother in law talk about that one as well..).

Oh yeah. The royal family, the Bushes, et al are really part of a reptillian morphing race from the dark side of the moon.

And in 2012 there will be a "pole shift" of the Earth and almost everyone is going to die...

I can't believe some people buy into that crap.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 4:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TorontoCon wrote:
I can't believe some people buy into that crap.

Amazing, isn't it? Seemingly credible and functional citizens believing their world is controlled in such a fashion... Suddenly, the mystery of why Canadians keep voting for the Liberal Party seems less bizarre...

-Mac
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 4:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Craig wrote:
Sheila wrote:
Check and see who the biggest shareholders are of the corporations currently mining the oil sands. Follow the money and you'll find out who is in control.


Everything is a conspiracy isn't it Sheila.


No Craig, I live in reality. I also live in the middle of the oilpatch. Check and see how much of Alberta's oil is going to the U.S. No conspiracy here, only reality.
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