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TorontoCon





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PostPosted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 5:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mac wrote:
TorontoCon wrote:
I can't believe some people buy into that crap.

Amazing, isn't it? Seemingly credible and functional citizens believing their world is controlled in such a fashion... Suddenly, the mystery of why Canadians keep voting for the Liberal Party seems less bizarre...

-Mac


Here's a new conspiracy theory for you. Toronto water is tainted with a mystery chemical that allows Liberal mind control....

Personally I don't drink the water....
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 5:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'm personally losing patience with conspiracy theorists...

Don't forget the one about global warming being some kind of socialist conspiracy, and the one about Saddam Hussein being behind 9/11... :lol:
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Speaking of JFK...how about the one about how lee harvey oswald and jack ruby both acted alone...
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Correction to my previous post. Don't follow the money, just follow the pipeline.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 5:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TorontoCon wrote:
Here's a new conspiracy theory for you. Toronto water is tainted with a mystery chemical that allows Liberal mind control....

Personally I don't drink the water....

Is it being dumped into TO's water supply by Dion himself or by his minions? :lol:

-Mac
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 7:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sheila wrote:
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Sheila wrote:
Check and see who the biggest shareholders are of the corporations currently mining the oil sands. Follow the money and you'll find out who is in control.


Everything is a conspiracy isn't it Sheila.


No Craig, I live in reality. I also live in the middle of the oilpatch. Check and see how much of Alberta's oil is going to the U.S. No conspiracy here, only reality.


So the Americans consume our oil - how exactly does that put them "in control". On the contrary, if we are supplying them with energy WE are the ones in control. As far as shareholders are concerned it is a pretty healthy split between Canadians, Americans, Saudis, and Europeans.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So the Americans consume our oil - how exactly does that put them "in control". On the contrary, if we are supplying them with energy WE are the ones in control.


Exactly. It's also hard to argue that 'US Oil' is in control when their own goverment (specifically, Democratic congress) passes a law that prohibits the US government from buying our ("their") tar-sand oil: Link
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 11:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good article FFCanuck, but that only concerns the oil from the tar sands. Currently all the pipelines head south for the oil or gas to be processed in the USA. I'm sure they will never be that ignorant to stop returning the processed oil or gas back to us. But then again, it will definitely be in their hands.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 9:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is a new refinery being built in St.Clair Twnshp. south of Sarnia. First one in North America in 30 years.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 9:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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There is a new refinery being built in St.Clair Twnshp. south of Sarnia. First one in North America in 30 years.

Is it new new or a replacement for an existing one?

-Mac
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 9:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sheila wrote:
Good article FFCanuck, but that only concerns the oil from the tar sands. Currently all the pipelines head south for the oil or gas to be processed in the USA. I'm sure they will never be that ignorant to stop returning the processed oil or gas back to us. But then again, it will definitely be in their hands.


If they stop returning it to us then we will stop sending it to them. We hold the trump card here.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 9:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is some info on it. They have optioned 10,000 acres at $10,000/acre in the region. Poor farmland south of Sarnia.
http://www.shell.ca/home/Frame.....oject.html

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About the Sarnia Manufacturing Expansion Project

Shell Canada is investing $50 million to further study the viability of constructing and operating new facilities to extend the Company’s existing refinery to incorporate a new refinery near Sarnia, Ontario in line with our integrated business approach.


Shell Canada’s Interest in The Sarnia Manufacturing Project

Ontario remains Canada’s largest market for refined petroleum products. An expansion of our refining operations in Ontario will allow us to produce these products right where the demand is – in Ontario.


The Sarnia Manufacturing Expansion Project and our Commitment to Sustainable Development

Shell is committed to consulting our stakeholders from the earliest stages of the project and throughout. We are also committed to protecting the environment and managing resources within a framework of sustainability.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 10:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mrsocko wrote:
Here is some info on it. They have optioned 10,000 acres at $10,000/acre in the region. Poor farmland south of Sarnia.
http://www.shell.ca/home/Frame.....oject.html

Thanks for the link. That answered all my questions.

-Mac
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 2:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sheila wrote:
Good article FFCanuck, but that only concerns the oil from the tar sands. Currently all the pipelines head south for the oil or gas to be processed in the USA. I'm sure they will never be that ignorant to stop returning the processed oil or gas back to us. But then again, it will definitely be in their hands.


Most of our production these days is from tar-sands oil. Less thant 10% of our production is from conventional sources, the pipelines are mostly carrying refracted crude from the sands. Also, if it wasn't clear from the article, the law prohibits the US Government (ie military), not private enterprise, from purchasing non-conventional oil.

My point was merely that are far more plausible threats to our economy and sovereignty than the USA.
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