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TorontoCon





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PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 9:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

After so many years of Liberalism, we need a TRUE dose of Conservatism in Ontario.

People here are ALREADY sick of the McGuinty dynasty and would have voted Tory if not for that "unmentionable" bad policy...

I think that the best way forward would be just to leave education ALONE and focus on BUSINESS, CRIME, INFRASTRUCTURE and develop a CANCER STRATEGY (as I've outlined in another thread called CANCER).

Education Reform:
The Education system in Ontario is pretty good. Just make strides to reform WASTEFUL spending and funnel that money into areas that actually benefit our educational system. Just never EVER talk about religion and schools in the same sentence. That means not touching the Catholic Schoolboard as well or you will lose AT LEAST half of your Catholic Conservative voters.... (including me)
Christian Conservative





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PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 11:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, whatever they choose to do, they better decide quick... time's ticking to the next election, and people like me are already committing to sit on their hands unless some MAJOR changes take place... a review on Tory's leadership, even if he re-won it, would have been a good place to start.
Cool Blue





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PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 11:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya, education is definetely something that can't be touched (at least not as part of a campaign). Apart from saying that we'll give more money to improve schools, any attempts to change the system will blow up.
Mac





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PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 1:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TorontoCon wrote:
After so many years of Liberalism, we need a TRUE dose of Conservatism in Ontario.

You had Mike Harris and his Common Sense Revolution. His name is used as an execrative by successive leftist governments.

-Mac
pjishere





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PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 10:31 pm    Post subject: Mike Harris Reply with quote

You say that like Mike Harris was a bad thing.....


.....just because successive Lefties in the Liberals and PC's have used Harris as a boogey-man doesn't make it so. If John Tory wasn't so quick to flutter his hands and run every time anyone says "Harris" he might be a little more respected. Harris did a lot of good for Ontaro, and could actually win not only an election, but also his own seat.

With all the parties in Ontario on the LEFT, it's time for a party that represents the rest of the voters.
Mac





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PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 11:09 pm    Post subject: Re: Mike Harris Reply with quote

pjishere wrote:
You say that like Mike Harris was a bad thing.....

I don't have a problem with Harris. Evidently, the leftists do... and they've managed to convince quite a number of voters to share that concern.

-Mac
pjishere





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PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 11:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sure. If his own side in the person of Red John Tory can't stand up for Harris' accomplishments, who else will.

Tory is a pathetic excuse for a politician. He's the best thing the Ontario Liberals could have wished for.
mrsocko





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PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 11:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Change the name of the party to Conservative Party of Ontario and run Flarhety as leader.

Why don't these provincial PC parties change there names to Conservative. I always thought Progressive Conservative was a stupid name.
Mac





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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 12:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mrsocko wrote:
I always thought Progressive Conservative was a stupid name.

It was a reflection of the coalition nature of the parties... but, yes, it does seem like an oxymoron, doesn't it?

-Mac
pjishere





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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 6:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Progressive Conservative. All the lefty Progressives like John Tory think they have better social beliefs and that anyone else in the party is a knuckle-dragging, nose-breathing caveman.

THEY are the only ones who know what's best for everyone else......typical socialists.
mrsocko





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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 11:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Y'know how this Progressive Conservative Bull started. The Premeir of Manitoba represented the Provincial Progressive Party. He was asked to take over the leadership of the federal conservative party. He insisted that Progressive be tacked onto the name as a condition of him taking the leadership. He was only around a few years and got replaced. The name stuck for 60 years. Time for it to go!
pjishere





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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 12:51 pm    Post subject: Progressives..... Reply with quote

The difficult part is that the Reds (Progressives) are firmly in control in the PC's in Ontario and just like federally they won't let go until they're dragged kicking and screaming and clawing at everyone.

Federally, it took the Reform Party to take over the conservative fight while the red PC's clung and squealed and became largely irrelevant.

In Ontario, the Ontario Reform Party has been signing up hundreds of new members since the PC convention. The PC's are bleeding heavily on their blue side. Most of the converts are longtime PC members who see no hope for that party, with it's debts, divisions, faith-based baggage, and little chance of any conservative leadership for the future.
cosmostein





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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 12:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Mike Harris Reply with quote

Mac wrote:
pjishere wrote:
You say that like Mike Harris was a bad thing.....

I don't have a problem with Harris. Evidently, the leftists do... and they've managed to convince quite a number of voters to share that concern.

-Mac


Squeaky wheel,
I think had Mike Harris returned to lead the PC's in 2007 we would be enjoying a PC majority right now.

Yeah the left loathes him, about as much as they loathe Stephen Harper. The average Ontario voter looks at Mike as a straight shooter that tried his best to unclog the toilet left in Toronto by Rae.

Rae is the greater evil in Ontario, always will be.
cosmostein





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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 12:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I stood with Tory, I worked to get him elected because I figured he was our best hope to get back into power, I worked on the 2007 campaign, I got roasted going door to door during the 2007 campaign, I towed the line till election day but that is as far as I will go.

I voted to replace Tory,
He is not even a sitting MPP, and giving interviews from the coat room at Parliament Hill makes me cringe.

He ran a slam dunk victory into a wall, and kept running into a wall.

He didn't need to take the big risks, yet he did.

Running in Don Valley West against the popular education minister Kathleen Wynne and focusing your platform on an education reform that was not popular because it was not sold correctly.

Our leader was so focused on winning his riding he was not there to help others win theirs.

We will not win in Ontario with the options of Left, Lefter, and Leftist.

Mike Harris walked into the 1995 election being 22% down in the polls and called it like it was, Ontario was in bad shape and rather then selling sunshine and smiles he addressed the real issues, not the manufactured ones that were debated in 2007.

We have tried to sell Conservative-Lite to Ontario, its not working and I don't see it working in 2011.

66.8% of Progressive Conservatives supported him in a leadership review, 33.2% did not. If he cannot even get a strong majority within his own party to support him how are we expected to get the undecided voter to?

Bring in Randy Hillier, Beg Jim Flaherty, do whatever you have to.

The stink starts at the top, and that is the first thing we need to change moving forward.
frasermacdonald





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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 2:22 pm    Post subject: Save the Ontario PCs Reply with quote

I still think John Tory is totally capable of winning in 2011. He's more angry about the past election than any of us, and has already begun to take steps to correct a lot of the problems. The platform crafting is already well under way, and I advise anyone interested to get involved with the Policy Advisory Councils (P.A.C.'s) crafting our next platform, which will be voted on by members at the convention preceding Oct. 2011 (ie no more religious schools-like issues slipping in).

I think healthcare is still one of the top issues for Ontarians (and all Canadians), and with the CMA and many others warming up to private delivery (not using the word two-tier), I think we can gain a lot of ground by having a simple, well-handled healthcare reform plan.

Even Sweden has private delivery (and thus better healthcare than us), and I'd quickly adopt their model vs. ours. Something more along the lines of the British NHS would vastly improve Ontario's health crisis. If we had some skilled communications people who could explain this to the public and not let Warren Kinsella spin it to "only rich people get doctors", I think Ontarians would support us.

Tory had a good start with this on the '07 platform with electronic health records and private delivery within public system, but no one even noticed because of the black mark on the platform.

Let's have a REAL debate about where we want to go with healthcare in this province, WIN the debate, and FIX healthcare. This can be a winning issue if we handle it right.

As a side note, I am aiming to take part in the Education P.A.C. and advocate for removing the waste-of-time careers class from grade 10 and instead replace it with a personal finance course. How to plan a mortgage, pay a credit card, balance a chequebook etc. Mandatory for all highschool students. The amount of students that have no idea how most of the works, myself included, is shocking. It also subsequently imparts some good old conservative fiscal responsibility in highschool students, which can never be a bad thing for the party.
Now let's imagine the spin the Liberals try to pull off against that.
Liberal: "they want to teach fiscal responsibility to highschool students so they'll vote Tory"
Tory: "thanks you Liberals for finally admitting you aren't fiscally responsible"

Thoughts on that anyone?
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