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kwlafayette





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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 9:31 am    Post subject: Limiting debate. Reply with quote

Seems that there are several avenues that are very popular in limiting debate. By that I mean allowing one point of view, and nothing else.

There is the likening to the Holocaust label "climate denier".
Abortion has "men cannot understand", and "you have no right".
There is the ever popular "think of the children". this one is used by everybody.
There is the very popular "racist" label, for anyone who observes reality and comments accordingly. Like if you were to say anything about the state of Natives on reserves, or crime in Toronto.

Which one is your favorite?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 10:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The use of 'cowboy' as a perjorative always amuses me, but that usually comes from Europeans.
gc





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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 2:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Insulting anyone who disagrees with you is a sure way to end a debate...
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 2:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The word "typical" as in "typical Tory" or "typical man"
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 3:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any time some one brings God or Allah into the debate kills it for me.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 3:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is the ever popular calling someone a Nazi or calling them Hitler thing.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 5:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One I hear more and more frequently is "you believe the earth is 6000 years old too {wink)"
I first noticed it used on Stockwell Day and most recently on Huckabee. In both of those cases the discussion/debate had nothing to do with Creation/evolution.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like the one I said, but I did apologize for it. Again I really am sorry for saying that men do not understand. A lot of times men have way more empathy than women. Now I'm going to get tarred for this one too. :oops:
Everytime I go on a rant, my husband stops me and says, how would you feel if you were in that situation? It's always good to put yourself in the other person's place.
The political correctness is getting old, I would rather say it like it is.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

typical Tory is different how from the names that Liberals are called here everyday? Isnt it limiting debate when we dismiss the Liberals and liberals like this?

I think its a legit point that there are certain things men cant know/do and things specific men dont understand. :)

The political correctness sucks, being respectful of others despite differences is divine. :P


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Sheila





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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 8:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

urbanmonk wrote:
One I hear more and more frequently is "you believe the earth is 6000 years old too {wink)"
I first noticed it used on Stockwell Day and most recently on Huckabee. In both of those cases the discussion/debate had nothing to do with Creation/evolution.


During the election in 2000, reporters came to Bentley, AB (former home of Stockwell Day) looking to find dirt on him. They wanted someone who would go on camera and say bad things about him. But the people of Bentley caught onto the reporters scheme and refused to play ball. The media has always persecuted Stockwell Day for his religion.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 9:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I was gathering signatures to get my name on the ballot for the Family Coalition Party I had many people ask me if it was a Christian party and would only sign it if it wasn't. I guess they feel that Christian parties shouldn't be allowed on the ballot.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 9:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Craig wrote:
When I was gathering signatures to get my name on the ballot for the Family Coalition Party I had many people ask me if it was a Christian party and would only sign it if it wasn't. I guess they feel that Christian parties shouldn't be allowed on the ballot.


Why do you think they would feel that way, Craig?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 9:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

plantguy wrote:
The word "typical" as in "typical Tory" or "typical man"

I think this one can be expanded to any gross generalization or sweeping assumption. I'm not sure if limits the debate but it certainly polarizes it.

Ad hominem attacks are always popular...

-Mac
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 10:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The "Authority of the Many" or so called Bandwagon Fallacy has been seen a great deal of late... mainly involving climate change and the supposedly solid and authoritative IPCC consensus... After all, the "science is in" and all that rot...

-Mac
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 5:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ad hominem attacks are always popular...

I'll take that as a dig from a previous post. i'm sorry, but I don't consider broad generalities and sweeping condemnation to be debate. I was once offered debating lessons on this site, but even with my limited knowledge of the subject I know a debate when I see one. The "ad hominem" label doesn't fit if there is no legitame argument to refute.
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