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Big Tuna





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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 7:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hah.. how about "socialist". :)
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 8:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Nazi and fascist things are difficult. Some things actually are legitimately called fascist, but have nothing to do with Nazi Germany. The problem is that the two are so tightly bound together in our collective memory.

As for socialist, if what you are talking about is socialism, like socialized medicine, socialized child care, then you are going to get the socialist label. And if socialist has pejorative connotations, if socialism has never made life easier or better for anyone that has ever tried it, then that is the fault of socialists.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 9:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

plantguy wrote:
Ad hominem attacks are always popular...

I'll take that as a dig from a previous post. i'm sorry, but I don't consider broad generalities and sweeping condemnation to be debate. I was once offered debating lessons on this site, but even with my limited knowledge of the subject I know a debate when I see one. The "ad hominem" label doesn't fit if there is no legitame argument to refute.

Feeling a bit sensitive? I'm not sure how to break this to you but I was agreeing with you (re: sweeping generalizations) and then added my own thoughts re: ad hominem attacks limiting debate... nothing more... I don't recall what the dig was (or if I was involved) and I certainly don't hold any hard feelings.

-Mac
Big Tuna





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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 9:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kwlafayette wrote:
The Nazi and fascist things are difficult. Some things actually are legitimately called fascist, but have nothing to do with Nazi Germany. The problem is that the two are so tightly bound together in our collective memory.

As for socialist, if what you are talking about is socialism, like socialized medicine, socialized child care, then you are going to get the socialist label. And if socialist has pejorative connotations, if socialism has never made life easier or better for anyone that has ever tried it, then that is the fault of socialists.


Ah but socialized programs have made many peoples lives easier and better. Though on this board "socialist" is used as the ultimate insult.

It makes sense being the type of board that it is.. it's just that instead of screaming "socialist!" likes its the worst thing in the world, sticking to the debate would be better.
gc





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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 10:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big Tuna wrote:
hah.. how about "socialist". :)

hear, hear!
gc





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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 10:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Two more things I don't like when debating:

1) When people throw out words like "strawman" or "red herring" when it's uncalled for.
2) People who use strawmen/red herrings.
Sheila





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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 10:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A master debater is able to debate both sides. :lol:
plantguy





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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 12:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No Mac, the comment wasn't made by you, but replies to a certain poster are often called "ad hominem" in order to avoid a valid reply.
FascistLibertarian





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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 5:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

master debater :lol: :lol: :lol:
plantguy





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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 6:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wouldn't that be someone who debates with themselves?
gc





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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

plantguy wrote:
Wouldn't that be someone who debates with themselves?

:lol:
Mac





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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 6:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

plantguy wrote:
No Mac, the comment wasn't made by you, but replies to a certain poster are often called "ad hominem" in order to avoid a valid reply.

It's all good.

-Mac
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 8:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sheila wrote:
Craig wrote:
When I was gathering signatures to get my name on the ballot for the Family Coalition Party I had many people ask me if it was a Christian party and would only sign it if it wasn't. I guess they feel that Christian parties shouldn't be allowed on the ballot.


Why do you think they would feel that way, Craig?


Because they don't think Christians should be able to participate in a democracy?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 9:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Craig wrote:
Because they don't think Christians should be able to participate in a democracy?

Could it be they're worried about radical social conservatism? I had a similar reaction the first time I heard a Reform candidate railing against the Parliament of Canada. His solutions sounded like a call for an uprising against the government. Scary stuff at the time...

-Mac
mbennett





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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 9:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Craig wrote:
When I was gathering signatures to get my name on the ballot for the Family Coalition Party I had many people ask me if it was a Christian party and would only sign it if it wasn't. I guess they feel that Christian parties shouldn't be allowed on the ballot.


What is the Family Coalition Party?
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