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FF_Canuck





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PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 11:02 am    Post subject: A positive Ron Paul Thread... Reply with quote

... I hope. In good faith, I am asking current supporters of Dr. Paul to sell me on the man as serving president. I will not discuss or bring up any of the issues I have with his ... more interesting supporters. I hope that others will do the same, as we've already got a few threads for that. Anyone interested?
PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 12:44 am    Post subject: Re: A positive Ron Paul Thread... Reply with quote

FF_Canuck wrote:
... I hope. In good faith, I am asking current supporters of Dr. Paul to sell me on the man as serving president. I will not discuss or bring up any of the issues I have with his ... more interesting supporters. I hope that others will do the same, as we've already got a few threads for that. Anyone interested?


How about negative stuff? Plus there are more interesting people in the race, i.e Duncan Hunter of California.

And why should there be a thread discussing a nutcase with ZERO chance to win any thing!?
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 1:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't quite know what to say about Dr. Paul.

The media (and our friend Winston2004) seem determined to dismiss him as being a fringe candidate with radical notions... and radical supporters... but having the media against him scores a few points in my book since the media in the States are almost as biased as ours in Canada.

His platform isn't all that radical but it isn't socialism... and that's not a bad thing. He isn't pandering to any special interests. He isn't trying to say what he thinks people want to hear. He isn't acting like a politician.

It's easier to come up with what Dr. Paul isn't rather than what he is... I think that's partly what interests me about him.

-Mac
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 10:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I honestly think Jack Layton is just as big as a nut job if not more.

Anyone from Ontario who lived through Rae days knows how radical the NDP's ideas where. They were proven not to work yet the party still sticks to their guns and claims their socialist ideals to be the best for us all.

I would rather have a Ron Paul in this country, someone who is for minimal government and individual freedoms than a party wanting the state to control every part of our daily lives.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 4:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mltoryblue wrote:
I honestly think Jack Layton is just as big as a nut job if not more.

Anyone from Ontario who lived through Rae days knows how radical the NDP's ideas where. They were proven not to work yet the party still sticks to their guns and claims their socialist ideals to be the best for us all.

I would rather have a Ron Paul in this country, someone who is for minimal government and individual freedoms than a party wanting the state to control every part of our daily lives.


I agree with you there. I agree with the general premise of a lot of what Ron says, but think he is too extreme in a lot of respects. For instance, he is a strict non-interventionist. While I think the USA should scale down it's level of intervention in the world, it should still support it's allies like Israel. I agree that many government programs need to go, but to scrap the department of education is far too extreme for me.

Basically, I think Ron Paul is good because he is a strong Libertarian voice. I wouldn't want him running my country, but having him in the Senate or the House and influencing policy to a Libertarian bend is definitely a good thing in my books.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 6:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't understand why Canadians get so worked up about US presidential candidates. Sure, we pick one out that intellectually we think we might agree with, but none of us have any real say in the matter. Isn't the wise course of action just to offer the standard boiler plate "we look forward to working with whomever is chosen by the American people in 2008"? Even if the person they choose is a nutter? Isn't being able to get meeting with a nutter better than being ignored?

PS. Remember how Buzz Hargrove was surprised that he could not get a meeting with the new PM a year or so back? I would not want that to happen to the Canadian ambassador.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 6:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kwlafayette,

I certainly get where you're coming from, and I agree that our politicians, especially those in government, should refrain from commenting on American elections. That being said, American politics are an interest of mine. There's no question of the impact the POTUS has on us and the rest of the world, so I see nothing wrong with the topic as an item for discussion and debate.

Bleatmop,

I think we are in agreement regarding Dr. Paul's stated policy positions. I find many of the domestic policies attractive, but his stances on international trade, security, and foreign policy worrisome. If these stances weren't as extreme, he might make an excellent VP candidate.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, Canada's greatest interest is served by having a US president who is not protectionist. That should be our primary criteria for rooting for a candidate.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 8:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like the guy for the "f$#^$ the rest of the world" attitude he has. America needs stop nation building and propping up the rest of the world. It can't afford it.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 12:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

FF: I think Paul would make an excellent VP. Having a Libertarian have a close eye to the President would be a great thing for the American people. Also, I think some of his ideas on foreign affairs could work if you could simply reset the world relations scene. Unfortunately, you can't, and the US would need a decades to get to the non-interventionist point that Paul wants to get.

Kwal: I agree that we should welcome whomever the president of the US is with open arms. Even Clinton (I actually like a few of her talking points). Being antagonistic to any President is wrong and only hurts us. We clearly saw the effects of the Liberals doing that when Bush came into power.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 1:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Being a Dual American/Canadian citizen I do have a say in who should be president and as is such I think Ron Paul would be a great candidate for several reasons. 1. He is a radical. While some may see this as a turn off I endorse it. He is a radical in the sense that he follows the constitution. This document was radical at the time as were all the ideals that came to the fore at the founding of America. 2. He is humble. I have yet to see him act like a politician with a holier-then-thou attitude. 3. He preaches conservative values such as for instance smaller government, a non-interventionist world policy (which many determine to be isolationist but that is incorrect) and a strong believe in liberty. What is there to dislike here?
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 12:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lar_drewstar wrote:
.... I think Ron Paul would be a great candidate for several reasons. 1. He is a radical. While some may see this as a turn off I endorse it. He is a radical in the sense that he follows the constitution. This document was radical at the time as were all the ideals that came to the fore at the founding of America. 2. He is humble. I have yet to see him act like a politician with a holier-then-thou attitude. 3. He preaches conservative values such as for instance smaller government, a non-interventionist world policy (which many determine to be isolationist but that is incorrect) and a strong believe in liberty. What is there to dislike here?


I like him, too.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 10:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like Ron Paul because he is contraversial and will shake up American voters and get them thinking about what really is important to them. He has no chance whatsoever of winning the Republican nomination, nor being chosen as a running-mate. What he can do, and very effectively, is get people thinking again about the consequences of not participating in the electoral process. His policy positions are either quite sensible or outrageous, with no room for grey. I would think the most effective message he can send to American voters is: Yes, some of my ideas make a lot more sense than the way we are doing things now. Change comes only through involvement in the process by voting. Look who's motivated to get out and vote. Who do you want choosing your lawmakers, them or you?
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 10:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was listening to one of his radio ads today and it says he is against free trade, against NAFTA and against the North American Merger. I must have missed that last one!
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