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PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 5:41 pm    Post subject: Mandatory Boot Camp Reply with quote

I've decided I don't support mandatory military service. But I do support a six week boot camp for all 17 year olds. There, they can learn the discipline and routine that is sorely lacking in our education system.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any where else in the world do this, so we can see their example.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 8:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Mandatory Boot Camp Reply with quote

Craig wrote:
I've decided I don't support mandatory military service. But I do support a six week boot camp for all 17 year olds. There, they can learn the discipline and routine that is sorely lacking in our education system.

When your kids get old enough (age 12) find your local Cadet Corps and signed them up. There's Army, Navy and Air Cadets so the kids have a choice of what they'd like to learn. My son is in Army Cadets and every summer, he goes to bootcamp for six weeks. He's paid for his time and he learns great life skills like camping, bush survival, kayaking, whatever... plus the self-discipline. I can't say enough good about the Cadets. :)

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 10:59 pm    Post subject: Re: Mandatory Boot Camp Reply with quote

Mac wrote:
Craig wrote:
I've decided I don't support mandatory military service. But I do support a six week boot camp for all 17 year olds. There, they can learn the discipline and routine that is sorely lacking in our education system.

When your kids get old enough (age 12) find your local Cadet Corps and signed them up. There's Army, Navy and Air Cadets so the kids have a choice of what they'd like to learn. My son is in Army Cadets and every summer, he goes to bootcamp for six weeks. He's paid for his time and he learns great life skills like camping, bush survival, kayaking, whatever... plus the self-discipline. I can't say enough good about the Cadets. :)


Sounds good Mac. I will do that...
PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 11:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Mandatory Boot Camp Reply with quote

Craig wrote:
I've decided I don't support mandatory military service. But I do support a six week boot camp for all 17 year olds. There, they can learn the discipline and routine that is sorely lacking in our education system.


I'd drink to that... 6-8 weeks will make spoiled kids better people
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 11:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Any where else in the world do this, so we can see their example.


Not to knock the idea but...Nazi Germany did this.

The movie Triumph of the Will had a few scene featuring young men participating in the program. I recall a scene where they were digging ditches and constructing roads.

The narrator explained that it was to get them to appreciate manual labour, especially for those who would become white collar workers later in life (part of the Nazi socialist philosophy).
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 11:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Mandatory Boot Camp Reply with quote

Craig wrote:
Sounds good Mac. I will do that...

http://www.cadets.ca/intro_e.asp

My nieces and nephews all went through Air Cadets in the Maritimes. Of the six, only one opted to follow any form of military service. He joined the Reserves and was invited for a tour of Afghanistan which he completed. He is now talking about joining either the Armed Forces or the RCMP.

National Defence partially funds and supports the Cadet movement, mainly in material supplies (ie: uniforms, access to equipment, etc.) but local Legions and local fund raising covers any additional costs, like field training exercises.

For instance, my son spent last weekend on a DND property outside of Chilliwack. He slept in a tent which he and his partner erected themselves. Their source of food was military rations (IMPs). They did night exercises (various teams playing "capture the flag" with map & compass creeping through the woods in complete darkness... including a few traps...) and came home filthy, exhausted and very happy with many tales to tell.

As the former commander of our local Corps told me when I first signed my son up "The Cadet movement is molding the leaders of tomorrow."

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 6:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya, I'll be looking into the cadets when my daughter comes of age.

I knew a girl in highschool who was in the cadets and she was an Ontario sharpshooter champion!
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 10:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The nazis also encouraged people to have lots of kids. Maybe we shouldnt then, just so were not like the nazis.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 11:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The nazis also encouraged people to have lots of kids. Maybe we shouldnt then, just so were not like the nazis.


As I said, I wasn't knocking the idea, I was just responding to somebody who asked if any other countries had done such a thing.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 11:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe that many countries have mandatory military service. Israel for one. Germany still does I believe. I had some friends in school who were born in Germany, their father was in the military. They had dual citizenship up until they were 18, but they had to give it up or risk being drafted into the German army. Apparently, if you are drafted into a foreign army, you will lose you Canadian citizenship.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 12:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe a few of the Norwegian countries still have mandatory military service. I know Finland still does.

I personally don't think it's a good idea. I think that it's up to the parent to discipline their child. Enrolling your kids in cadets is a good example. It's not up to the state to disciple the children unless it is proven that the parents have failed.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 12:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think Greece has mandatory military service as well.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 12:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I recall now, that Singapore does as well. I remember the manager at the Sentosa Earth station telling me about the survival training he received, and how one guy was injured when a durian fruit fell on his head in the jungle. He said something about eating some part of an oil palm to survive. So I think the mandatory military thing is fairly widespread.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Korea and Taiwan both have mandiatory military service.
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