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PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why would China buy emissions credits? They are not a signatory to any international agreement.

PS. China has no Kyoto targets, they do not need credits.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 7:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bleatmop wrote:
Being the first PM to ever support and actually initiate elected senators is enough credibility for me. Until I have a better option on this front, Harper gets all my elected senator points.


As far as I know, he is the only PM to claim to support the election of senators. It does hurt your credibility when you go against your own beliefs to appoint a senator. It makes him look like a hypocrite, and makes you wonder which of his other beliefs he would be willing to sell out.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 7:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

that is true, but things might be changing (in 40 years time that is).

I think the Liberals won't take it.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 7:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are well connected Liberal insiders in China who have been working for years on setting up businesses that will be able to sell carbon credits to western businesses. Maurice Strong is one of the most prominent ones.

Kyoto was never about reducing anything.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 7:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What are your thoughts on an election?
Based on the speech, do you think it will happen?
To be honest, I am not sure.

-Ruth
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 7:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Liberals are up in the air.

Anything could go.

I am 50/50 split.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 7:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting throne speech and it'll be more interesting to see what their plan of action. I'm sure the opposition are disappointed there isn't more hard-core right-wing rhetoric to justify their unwillingness to "make this parliament work" and I'm looking forward to see how the MSM spin this.

-Mac
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 7:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Liberals are doing nit-picking, they are desperate.

From their shouts I would deduce they are trying to save their face before voting for the speech. Seeing the speech, however, I doubt they will take it.

Ideological integrity would play handy for the tories, they didnt bend to radical demands by the other parties. However if I were on the center ground I would be a bit scared by this speech...
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 7:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it happens before a budget, I will vote CHP. Otherwise I will wait and see.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 7:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Full Speech Transcript:

http://www.sft-ddt.gc.ca/eng/media.asp?id=1364
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 7:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kwlafayette wrote:
If it happens before a budget, I will vote CHP. Otherwise I will wait and see.


What exactly is wrong with carbon credits?

Corps pay money for not being green and that gives them an incentives to get green
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 7:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

aye carumba

anyone else catch jack layton's "review" on CBC?

i have a crappy, rarely-updated blog... and even *I* feel like writing about him and what he said would be a waste of time, lol
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 7:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gc wrote:
Bleatmop wrote:
Being the first PM to ever support and actually initiate elected senators is enough credibility for me. Until I have a better option on this front, Harper gets all my elected senator points.


As far as I know, he is the only PM to claim to support the election of senators. It does hurt your credibility when you go against your own beliefs to appoint a senator. It makes him look like a hypocrite, and makes you wonder which of his other beliefs he would be willing to sell out.


I guess that is where you and I part ways. I see an elected senator in the senate now. You see hypocrisy.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The impression that I'm getting from the first Liberal responders to the Speech from the Throne is that there won't be an election.

The final decision has yet to be made, but I'm thinking that the Liberals will likely ensure that there isn't an election any time soon.

The only thing that makes me think a bit differently is the omnibus crime bill - if the Liberals can't swallow that then they might as well defeat the government now, as the omnibus crime bill will be the first thing introduced in Parliament if the Throne Speech passes.

I was pleasantly surprised with aboriginal reaction to the speech, as shown on CTV at least. The Tories seemed to really gain some ground there, which is excellent.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 7:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Triple_R wrote:
The only thing that makes me think a bit differently is the omnibus crime bill - if the Liberals can't swallow that then they might as well defeat the government now, as the omnibus crime bill will be the first thing introduced in Parliament if the Throne Speech passes.


I think that the Liberals are going to have many opportunities to defeat the government soon (as I think you do too?). I think that it is on one of these issues, such as the crime bill, that the Liberals will defeat the Government on, as they will want to frame the issue of that bill into the election issue.

That's what I think anyway. Either way they are between a rock and a hard place.
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