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PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 11:09 pm    Post subject: Will John Manley join the Conservative Party? Reply with quote

Politically speaking he is more aligned with Harper than left wing Dion.

Could the recent appointment of Manley by Harper be a harbinger of things to come?
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 12:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If Angry's Tipping Point theory comes to fruition, I see it as a definate possibility. Manley's consistently been one of the few prominent Liberals I can stomach.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 1:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

FF Canuck thanks for that link!

I just read the whole tipping point theory and it makes a damn lot of sense!

NDP vs. Conservatives, Liberals die!
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 8:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like Manley but no, the Liberals will use the anti monarchy comments & his position for the creation of NAFTA Plus against Harper.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 8:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

westmanguy wrote:
FF Canuck thanks for that link!

I just read the whole tipping point theory and it makes a damn lot of sense!

NDP vs. Conservatives, Liberals die!

I would rather see the Liberals win before I would the NDP besides I would rather see an election between the federal version if there ever will be one, Freedom Party v.s. the Conservatives.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 3:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The NDP will never win (I hope).
Yeah I like Manley, I dont think he will join us, but he is probably closer to harper than dion.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 6:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Politically speaking he is more aligned with Harper than left wing Dion.

Could the recent appointment of Manley by Harper be a harbinger of things to come?


He was still quoting the party line on election night in Ontario. He said that Ontarians(is that the term) agree with Liberal values. If that means lying once in office and raising taxes I guess he's right . That doesn't seem to bother Ontarians at all.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mrsocko wrote:
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Politically speaking he is more aligned with Harper than left wing Dion.

Could the recent appointment of Manley by Harper be a harbinger of things to come?


He was still quoting the party line on election night in Ontario. He said that Ontarians(is that the term) agree with Liberal values. If that means lying once in office and raising taxes I guess he's right . That doesn't seem to bother Ontarians at all.


I hope he does increase the PST 2% (sorry Ontarians). It just makes the difference between Alberta and Ontario that much greater.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 8:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PST is still 7% in Manitoba...Saskatchewan was able to lower it, why not us?

I think the PST should be lowered 3% and, then their could be a municipal sales tax.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 1:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

westmanguy wrote:
PST is still 7% in Manitoba...Saskatchewan was able to lower it, why not us?

I think the PST should be lowered 3% and, then their could be a municipal sales tax.


Why not have no sales tax, so that people are not punished for purchasing good and services. After all, it is the exchange of money that drives our economy and sales taxes only hurt our economy.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 2:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bleatmop wrote:
Why not have no sales tax, so that people are not punished for purchasing good and services. After all, it is the exchange of money that drives our economy and sales taxes only hurt our economy.


Most economists seem to think that a sales tax is better for the economy than income taxes.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 3:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Manley wins us Ottawa South as a Conservative Candidate.

The question really becomes if we think we need Manley to win that riding, or if we need to win that riding?
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Manley's more useful to the Tories as a Liberal than as a Tory in the time being. Him becoming a Tory would undermine the non-partisan nature of the Afghan panel that he's chairing, and hence make it less effective of a political manuever.

Now, somewhere down the line, it would be great to see Manley become a Tory (I strongly perfered Manley to Paul Martin), but right now is not a good time.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 8:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Most economists seem to think that a sales tax is better for the economy than income taxes.


A reduction in income tax gives more incentive to work more hours or harder(if you work on an incentive basis) cause you get to keep more of your money. A cut to GST will help the poorest as they pay very little income tax. You'd think the dippers would like that.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 7:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The NDP say that the poor don't have money to spend. Therefore they don't benefit from a GST cut. No spending = No saving..

But if they are not making that much money, then a cut to their income taxes wouldn't make much of a difference either... now would it?

So the poor don't benefit either way....

It's the MIDDLE class, and HIGH EARNERS that gain the most from the GST cut.

I know it will help me when I buy my first car...

Having said that, I am SERIOUSLY hoping for income splitting to announced in the spring budget, assuming the government lasts that long. That would be a HUGE help!
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